The Art of Moderation

[oddjob]

Finally, which is better an SR5 or an H Bongo 5?

Dave

Neither is better than the other... they are just different. Different feel, different playibility, different tone, different looks. What is better for you may not be for me.


Second, BP "thank you." Yes, I have spent lots of money on your products, but you are not required to give me a place to play; by the same token, I am not entitled to anything in the way of a web-based-forum. Like any play ground there are certain things you can and can't do. I have had other good experiences with other companies that make basses and strings but: 1) this is not the place for that 2) EBMM is the best. So thank you for going above and beyond.

Jack, what can I say other than you are the man! I wouldn't want your job (and I work with 12-15 year olds every day). You are beyond fair and do a fine job of keeping the Knuckelheads in a "somewhat" straight line.

 

[Beth]

Hey everyone,

Don't get me wrong, I love the forum and all of the great personalities on it. I also welcome when people have opinions or ideas -- it intrigues me and allows me to take into consideration the individual opinions within our cozy industry.

More of the reason why I haven't been on a lot lately is because I'm just too damn busy working to push The Good Word of Ernie Ball/Music Man to get so involved in so many conversations that end up digressing into juvenile sexual innuendos. I'm a big girl, I can take care of myself in this perv-laden industry, but sometimes I just don't have the time to crack locker-room jokes and high-five everyone when I should be thinking about:

-moving into our new building
-finding new ways to reach end users across the world
-the caliber of the Chinese market and blasting into it as a seller rather than a purchaser
-European RoHS and WEEE legislation
-realigning focus in our distribution in isolated territories
-Emergenza and more upcoming worldwide promotions
-the fact that my SAAB GOT ITS WINDOW SMASHED IN THIS PAST WEEKEND AND HOW MUCH IT IS GOING TO COST TO FIX IT
-my dentist appointment in 45 minutes

whew. OK. Thanks for letting me get that off my chest. Anyway, we all adapt and we all share one unified opinion -- we love the EB forums! Let's not ruin it for everyone, ok?

All the best to all of you,
-Beth

 

[Oldtoe]

-the fact that my SAAB GOT ITS WINDOW SMASHED IN THIS PAST WEEKEND AND HOW MUCH IT IS GOING TO COST TO FIX IT

Did they steal your iPod? That's what they did to my brother's Jetta to get his.

 

[Beth]

They didn't steal anything, just stupid vandalists with nothing better to do. Ipod was nestled cozy and safe in the center console....

 

[koogie2k]

Beth, thanks for the wonderful work you do and for putting up with us Knuckleheads.

Sorry to hear about your car windows. Shame really that people have to act that way......jealousy I guess or just plain idiots would be another.

 

[BigBallz]

Radiotrib

Sorry you are dissapointed. My Dad also told me that you can't please everyone, thats why there are more than one maker of strings.

Here is where the rub starts. Most people feel so comfortable here that they assume that this is a commune. There is a sense of entitlement that confuses me. This is not a government space agency public forum...It's a commercial forum paid for by a manufacturer as a source of community and information relating to said companies products.

I have taken your suggestions and critisisms regarding how much better and smarter you are with web sites and now Im getting the same on moderation. You guys all need to know that I've got Jacks back. I appreciate and fully approve of his moderating and he can't quit.

I almost left myself last month. Many regulars also were coaxed back by Jack.

We have to remind people of things. The sexual innuendo thing curtailed Beth's level of comfort here especially when it was slammed at her. Have you seen her here lately? If you guys dont want to be called out publicaly regarding content and conduct, then please use the PM funtion when you are instructing Jack on content.

Now lets just take a few deep breaths and relax and enjoy the ride.

com·mune ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kmyn, k-myn)
n.

A relatively small, often rural community whose members share common interests, work, and income and often own property collectively


com·mu·ni·ty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (k-myn-t)
n. pl. com·mu·ni·ties

A group of people living in the same locality and under the same government.
The district or locality in which such a group lives.

A group of people having common interests: the scientific community; the international business community.
A group viewed as forming a distinct segment of society: the gay community; the community of color.

Similarity or identity: a community of interests.
Sharing, participation, and fellowship


BP, I am confused. First you say the rub is most people assume this is a commune, and then you go on to state that this is a commercial forum paid for by a manufacturer as a source of community.

Since the definations of these two words are so simular, and share the same meaning, I don't understand your comments. This is very important to me and I mean no DIS-RESPECT, I'm just confused on "the sense of entiltement" statement you made.I belive that I am entilted, or, for a better word, privilaged to be here because I belive I can bring information and experience to this "Community", as I have owned EBMM and other Basses, as long as I obide by the sites rules.

 

[smallequestrian]

Beth, I hear you on the Rohs stuff. I just got off a 30 minute phone call with Dell, because they mistakenly took off one of our parts saying it wasn't Compliant. About a third of my work with them lately has been taking care of Rohs certifications.

 

[smallequestrian]

com·mune ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kmyn, k-myn)
n.

A relatively small, often rural community whose members share common interests, work, and income and often own property collectively


com·mu·ni·ty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (k-myn-t)
n. pl. com·mu·ni·ties

A group of people living in the same locality and under the same government.
The district or locality in which such a group lives.

A group of people having common interests: the scientific community; the international business community.
A group viewed as forming a distinct segment of society: the gay community; the community of color.

Similarity or identity: a community of interests.
Sharing, participation, and fellowship


BP, I am confused. First you say the rub is most people assume this is a commune, and then you go on to state that this is a commercial forum paid for by a manufacturer as a source of community.

Since the definations of these two words are so simular, and share the same meaning, I don't understand your comments. This is very important to me and I mean no DIS-RESPECT, I'm just confused on "the sense of entiltement" statement you made.I belive that I am entilted, or, for a better word, privilaged to be here because I belive I can bring information and experience to this "Community", as I have owned EBMM and other Basses, as long as I obide by the sites rules.

The definitions you posted actually help BP's point. Let me bold a different part of the commune definition, this is what BP is getting at:

A relatively small, often rural community whose members share common interests, work, and income and often own property collectively

This is the key point of the definition. We do not share in the income of EBMM and therefore this is not a commune where we can feel entitlement.

 

[bovinehost]

Well, the question was for BP but I think I can shed some light until/when/if he comes along and weighs in.

com·mune: a relatively small, often rural community whose members share common interests, work, and income and often own property collectively.

We are not a commune. In fact, the only thing we have in common with a commune is a shared common interest. Now sometimes we begin to believe that we have a stake in the company, that we should be able to have some influence, that we have great ideas about the musical instrument business and so on.

Bottom line is that EBMM is a commercial enterprise, none of us are stockholders nor do we sit around with BP and Dudley and Dargin making decisions that will affect the job security of a fair number of people.

So we're not a small, rural community, we don't share the workload, nor do we share income or property.

com·mu·ni·ty: a group of people having common interests: the scientific community; the international business community. A group viewed as forming a distinct segment of society: the gay community; the community of color.

Now this we are. It is probably very important to recognize the differences.

Since the definations of these two words are so simular, and share the same meaning

"Hot" and "warm" share similar meanings, but you don't want to put a piece of flaming charcoal in your mouth.

Hope this helps.

Jack

 

[Mr Light]

Hey everyone,

Don't get me wrong, I love the forum and all of the great personalities on it. I also welcome when people have opinions or ideas -- it intrigues me and allows me to take into consideration the individual opinions within our cozy industry.

More of the reason why I haven't been on a lot lately is because I'm just too damn busy working to push The Good Word of Ernie Ball/Music Man to get so involved in so many conversations that end up digressing into juvenile sexual innuendos. I'm a big girl, I can take care of myself in this perv-laden industry, but sometimes I just don't have the time to crack locker-room jokes and high-five everyone when I should be thinking about:

-moving into our new building
-finding new ways to reach end users across the world
-the caliber of the Chinese market and blasting into it as a seller rather than a purchaser
-European RoHS and WEEE legislation
-realigning focus in our distribution in isolated territories
-Emergenza and more upcoming worldwide promotions
-the fact that my SAAB GOT ITS WINDOW SMASHED IN THIS PAST WEEKEND AND HOW MUCH IT IS GOING TO COST TO FIX IT
-my dentist appointment in 45 minutes

whew. OK. Thanks for letting me get that off my chest. Anyway, we all adapt and we all share one unified opinion -- we love the EB forums! Let's not ruin it for everyone, ok?

All the best to all of you,
-Beth

Hi Beth,

After reading Big Poppa's post on this thread, I was starting to feel quilty by association, even though I don't even recall reading anything sexual on this forum (I may have missed that thread or threads).

But anyhoo, I'm glad that someone like you participates, because I'm sure, at times, this forum feels like a boy's club (or hardware store). So, I wanted to let you know that your presence is appreciated by me. Your suggestions, such as the one on the "Average Battery Life" thread are very informative. That just happened to be a question I had in the back of my mind for a while, as well.

 

[BigBallz]

"whose members share common interests"

Similarity or identity: a community of interests.
Sharing, participation, and fellowship


"In fact, the only thing we have in common with a commune is a shared common interest"

"Since the definations of these two words are so simular, and share the same meaning"

Like I said above...these are simular and share the same meaning...Jack you reinforce what I said. You know exactly what I mean. Please don't split arrows on this.



"Bottom line is that EBMM is a commercial enterprise, none of us are stockholders nor do we sit around with BP and Dudley and Dargin making decisions that will affect the job security of a fair number of people."

True enough, however as consumers who DO affect the job security of people, I belive BP takes what our experiences are, our needs are and our wants are, VERY SERIOULSY. That's what competent business/persons do. They listen to the feedback of their customers and act or not based on what's going on in the field with their product.

 

[Steve Dude Barr]

It's no different than someone coming onto the Dude Pit and posting about buying some product line I represent being available at another dealer.

Common sense should dictate what is or isn't appropriate to post.

 

[Jazzbassman23]

Guys, my bad re: the "which is better SR5 or Bongo." I was just spoofin' another bass forum where a similar question has been asked a gazillion times. However, since so many of you took the time to answer, I may have to reevaluate whether or not to keep my SR5 in favor of a Bongo 5. Can't justify two fivers, so it'll have to be one or the other.

 

[Bill]

I'm a moderator on another, rather huge, discussion group. I know what's involved with moderation, too. And I think Jack & the rest of the gang are doing a wonderful job! I woudn't consider it overmoderation by any means. The group where I mod has MUCH more strict rules (even to the point where "damn" and "hell" are censored words). I really enjoy the openness here and the fact that we can get away with being a little crazy without the mods stepping in.

I do fully agree with the policy about brands & competitors' products. This is a private forum & the owners are free to run it as they wish. I certainly have no problem with this; I see myself as a guest in BP's house & it's my responsibility to respect & follow his rules.

Thanks for a great place to chill!!

 

[BigBallz]

Guys, my bad re: the "which is better SR5 or Bongo." I was just spoofin' another bass forum where a similar question has been asked a gazillion times. However, since so many of you took the time to answer, I may have to reevaluate whether or not to keep my SR5 in favor of a Bongo 5. Can't justify two fivers, so it'll have to be one or the other.

Sorry Jazz...my experience is that I sold my Sting Ray for another Bongo. I have a Natural Sting Ray on order, and it may go also for a bongo. I have only owned 4 stringers, but go with a Bongo. The neck, when properly set up, is lightning quick and the tone is HUGE!!

 

[tkarter]

Guys, my bad re: the "which is better SR5 or Bongo." I was just spoofin' another bass forum where a similar question has been asked a gazillion times. However, since so many of you took the time to answer, I may have to reevaluate whether or not to keep my SR5 in favor of a Bongo 5. Can't justify two fivers, so it'll have to be one or the other.

He he I took you serious since I own one of each.
I am sure happy I don't have to get put to the choice one or the other.

How bout not justifying it and just doing it?

tk

 

[Mobay45]

Sorry Jazz...my experience is that I sold my Sting Ray for another Bongo. I have a Natural Sting Ray on order, and it may go also for a bongo. I have only owned 4 stringers, but go with a Bongo. The neck, when properly set up, is lightning quick and the tone is HUGE!!

Since I just took delivery of my second Bongo 5HH and no longer have an SR5 in my stable, I'll guess I'll have to say the Bongo. (I knew where you were going with that original post though.)

 

[bovinehost]

Like I said above...these are simular and share the same meaning...Jack you reinforce what I said. You know exactly what I mean. Please don't split arrows on this.

I'm not putting too fine a point on it, I think. They are similar in the same way that 'family' and 'friends' are a group of people about whom you care. But they ARE different.

I belive BP takes what our experiences are, our needs are and our wants are, VERY SERIOULSY. That's what competent business/persons do.

About that, you are 100 percent correct.

Also, there is no right answer between "Bongo 5 or Stingray 5". The law dictates owning both. Ask TKarter! Hell, ask ME.

 

[TSanders]

It's no different than someone coming onto the Dude Pit and posting about buying some product line I represent being available at another dealer.

Common sense should dictate what is or isn't appropriate to post.

Simply, but well stated Steve. Its poor taste for me to pop in your Lakland forum and say, "Check out this Skyline 55-02 I just got a great deal on from Bass Central". I didnt get a 55-02, and I dont have anything against Bass Central, its just a respect issue, of who pays the bills.

I just dont understand why people think that EB would enjoy having other companies products, that compete with theirs, posted on the EB forum that they fund.

I mean its really a unique place here. Some have called me an a@* kisser for some of my posts here regarding these types of issues, but I just dont care. I actually respect the fact that the freakin CEO (and MANY employees) of this company TALK/JOKE/LISTEN to/with us. That kinda stuff just is the norm in this industry, and for the life of me I cant figure out why people still wanna gripe.

To end my rant, there are plenty of places on the net to talk about the products that dont pertain to EB. I enjoy those places, some more than others. Theres a big internet bass world out there, and theres a time and place for everything.

 

[tkarter]

We all tend to spend so much time here we are bound to get on each others nerves once in awhile.

We don't own the place so imagine how much we get on the owners nerves. Now look at the tolerance the owner has displayed unto us.

After all we are bass players. Should be used to not having a say in things.

IMHO

tk