i have always, and always will be a metalhead, and my cup of tea is 80s metal like megadeth, metellica, judas priest, slaughter, etc. and i also really like rammstein. but, i have come to enjoy dream theatre and albert lee as well, so joining the forums here is really an eye-opener
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Tim O'Sullivan
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Its changing me, I spend even longer online each day!
robelinda2
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GASP! Out Of Nowhere is a GREAT cd, its the one I was thinking of, not Defying Gravity, plus his later stuff is full of Ernie Ball Silhouette Special action!!! His live dvd with UFO is brilliant as well.
Astrofreq
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Same for me.
Same for me. I bought Vinnie Moore's Time Odyssey like 20 years ago and I know I could never listen to it now. Same with Dream Theater. I bought When Dream and Day Unite when it came out, but now there's just nothing in it that music appeals to me. I'm intrigued to hear that people take a totally reverse musical course than myself. That's SO wild. I'm not knocking those guys, because they are talented. The only instrumental guitar I can still sit through and love is Michael Hedges and he doesn't even play electric.
For me, the stuff that really inspires me is just amazing writing, especially good lyrics and melodies. I just don't even care anymore if the guitar player rips or not, as long as the song is good. Go buy The Cardigans' Super Extra Gravity or Aimee Mann's Lost in Space for examples of exceptional, smart writing. Any Pearl Jam record always has unbelievable arrangements, especially in how the two guitarists intertwine. Yield is sacred for me.
Different people are moved by different music. God Bless America!
Same for me. I bought Vinnie Moore's Time Odyssey like 20 years ago and I know I could never listen to it now. Same with Dream Theater. I bought When Dream and Day Unite when it came out, but now there's just nothing in it that music appeals to me. I'm intrigued to hear that people take a totally reverse musical course than myself. That's SO wild. I'm not knocking those guys, because they are talented. The only instrumental guitar I can still sit through and love is Michael Hedges and he doesn't even play electric.
For me, the stuff that really inspires me is just amazing writing, especially good lyrics and melodies. I just don't even care anymore if the guitar player rips or not, as long as the song is good. Go buy The Cardigans' Super Extra Gravity or Aimee Mann's Lost in Space for examples of exceptional, smart writing. Any Pearl Jam record always has unbelievable arrangements, especially in how the two guitarists intertwine. Yield is sacred for me.
Different people are moved by different music. God Bless America!
robelinda2
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aimee mann is very talented indeed, i have a soundtrack she did for a movie, great songs, cant quite remember the movie name.
Astrofreq
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magnolia.
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Astrofreq
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radrock, i know what you mean. i enjoy dream theatre, but i am not interested in music just because the guitarist is amazing, and i am also not going to set my goals to be the best guitarist in the world or anything like that. when i can play anything i hear in my head, then i'll be happy
plus, i kinda think it can be a curse to be too good of a guitarist. case and point, i once met a guy who was sitting around tearing it up on an acoustic, and upon talking to him, he was one of the most egotistical pricks i've ever met, and looked down his nose at everyone. all he could talk about was the G3 stuff, and pretty much how Yngwie Malmsteen was god, and how the stuff i listen to is for amatuers ... i walked away that night, saying to myself that i would never act that way, ever. being a great guitarist is cool and all, and i'll continue to practice my ass off, but its never going to make me any more valueable a human being than the next guy
that being said, i might sound like a stereotypical kid, but have you heard the early Metallica instrumentals, such as "The Call of Ktulu" amd "Orion"? if not, it sounds to me like you might enjoy those, theres not any flat out insane playing, but it is very good writing, and very cool stuff
plus, i kinda think it can be a curse to be too good of a guitarist. case and point, i once met a guy who was sitting around tearing it up on an acoustic, and upon talking to him, he was one of the most egotistical pricks i've ever met, and looked down his nose at everyone. all he could talk about was the G3 stuff, and pretty much how Yngwie Malmsteen was god, and how the stuff i listen to is for amatuers
... i walked away that night, saying to myself that i would never act that way, ever. being a great guitarist is cool and all, and i'll continue to practice my ass off, but its never going to make me any more valueable a human being than the next guythat being said, i might sound like a stereotypical kid, but have you heard the early Metallica instrumentals, such as "The Call of Ktulu" amd "Orion"? if not, it sounds to me like you might enjoy those, theres not any flat out insane playing, but it is very good writing, and very cool stuff
joe web
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@phatduckk:
as far as it goes for DT CDs:
Images & Words - a must have
Metropolis 2: Scenes from a memory - DTs 1st conceptalbum
Train of Thought - the heaviest DT album
but you can´t really go wrong with one of the other CDs as well.
as far as it goes for DT CDs:
Images & Words - a must have
Metropolis 2: Scenes from a memory - DTs 1st conceptalbum
Train of Thought - the heaviest DT album
but you can´t really go wrong with one of the other CDs as well.
phatduckk
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that being said, i might sound like a stereotypical kid, but have you heard the early Metallica instrumentals, such as "The Call of Ktulu" amd "Orion"? if not, it sounds to me like you might enjoy those, theres not any flat out insane playing, but it is very good writing, and very cool stuff
ok i kinda lied... im into metal too. i learned how to play to old metallica songs. its great stuff and also good for learning... not too insane but not dead on easy either.
but i get what youre saying. a lot of the stuff i like is b/c i like it as a song... music and vocals/lyrics. personally id rather be able to write American Idiot (Green Day's last album) than the toughest Yngwie solo.
thats why i like Luke and AL a lot. they write great songs that incorporate great playing. that DT song Sacrifice Sons (i think thats what its called) is awesome!!! that eerie piano/organ line is sooo rad!
edensdad
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The forum has changed me too.
Before I listened to a lot of stuff - Miles Davis to Metallica, but mostly Prog metal and fingerstyle guitar.
Last night I watched Derek Trucks live on HDNET. Never heard of him before the forum.
I listened to Steve Morse on the way in to work this AM.
I've been educated about some country players - Albert Lee & the late Danny Gatton. Now I actually like that stuff.
I got rid of most of my Non-EBMM guitars - I realized I wasn't playing them, and when I was, they didn't feel or play as well.
I no longer dream of getting a Jimmy Page Les Paul, but instead of a new Maple Topped Petrucci.
Tristan is one of my guitar heroes.
Here's the big one - I actually listen to "Alternative" or "Punk" now - Phatduckk - we must have passed each other on the road going opposite directions.
Any time you share with others, you grow.
P.S. - I'm still a neoclassical prog headbanger at heart
>^..^<
Before I listened to a lot of stuff - Miles Davis to Metallica, but mostly Prog metal and fingerstyle guitar.
Last night I watched Derek Trucks live on HDNET. Never heard of him before the forum.
I listened to Steve Morse on the way in to work this AM.
I've been educated about some country players - Albert Lee & the late Danny Gatton. Now I actually like that stuff.
I got rid of most of my Non-EBMM guitars - I realized I wasn't playing them, and when I was, they didn't feel or play as well.
I no longer dream of getting a Jimmy Page Les Paul, but instead of a new Maple Topped Petrucci.
Tristan is one of my guitar heroes.
Here's the big one - I actually listen to "Alternative" or "Punk" now - Phatduckk - we must have passed each other on the road going opposite directions.
Any time you share with others, you grow.
P.S. - I'm still a neoclassical prog headbanger at heart
>^..^<
savannah_sean
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P.S. - I'm still a neoclassical prog headbanger at heart
>^..^<
Sweet...me too...rock on!...9-1/2 minutes at a time!
Astrofreq
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unfortunately, there are always jerks at the top of every ladder.
I've never heard those metallica songs you mentioned. I'll bet my roommate has them. I've never been a metallica fan, but I'll check them out. I love some megadeth though.
>id rather be able to write American Idiot (Green Day's last album) than the >toughest Yngwie solo.
Phattduck, I agree totally. Writing a song that the general public likes is FAR more complicated than learning the mechanics behind a fast solo. No question about it. Yngwie could NEVER write Boulevard of Broken Dreams in this lifetime. I couldn't either. It too perfectly written. Every kid likes that song. The public doesn't care that Billy Joe only knows some bar chords. That is a challenge.
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mbgreene
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I agree - this forum opened my eyes, and ears, up to a lot of new musical insight. - I had never heard of either Dream Theater or JP prior to the forum. Now I've listened, purchased some CD's, seen him perform, been to his clinic, met him at the open house (and yet somehow I still can't play like him )
I knew of the other artists and was at least a casual fan of all of them, but have since spent that much more time listening and appreciating their talents. But it also goes just beyond just the signature artists.
Picking up suggestions from different people on the board whose opinions I've come to respect leads to artists I never would have known to listen to. As an example, I just picked up the Tommy Emmanuel CD The Mystery - WOW just fantastic accoustic guitar.
With everything that gets discussed on the forum, from minor technical points to general music opinion and theory, I come to this place to learn more than anything else - and I do.
)I knew of the other artists and was at least a casual fan of all of them, but have since spent that much more time listening and appreciating their talents. But it also goes just beyond just the signature artists.
Picking up suggestions from different people on the board whose opinions I've come to respect leads to artists I never would have known to listen to. As an example, I just picked up the Tommy Emmanuel CD The Mystery - WOW
just fantastic accoustic guitar. With everything that gets discussed on the forum, from minor technical points to general music opinion and theory, I come to this place to learn more than anything else - and I do.
Norrin Radd
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LOL! That is just hilarious. Thanks for the chuckle this morning and putting a smile on my face.
roburado
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Dude, I love Sacrificed Sons. I don't know why, but a lot of people on the mikeportnoy.com forums were slagging that song for whatever reason. I thought it was awesome from the first day I heard it. Actually, I loved it from before I heard it. When the song titles were released, I just knew I was going to like it. It was fantastic when they performed it with the orchestra.
roburado
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Sure. Understood. I agree that it's a challenge, and there's great merit in a song that is simple and that a lot of people can get into. However, I personally can't really get excited when all I hear is just 3 or 4 barre chords. I may like the song for all of about 2 minutes, but I'm bored after that. My favorite Green Day song is that one "Wake Me Up When September Ends," but like I said, as a listener, I'm bored after two minutes (okay, maybe not literally two minutes). I rather hear JP rip through "Under a Glass Moon" or
the interplay between the horn section and Jeff "Skunk" Baxter on the solo to Steely Dan's "My Old School." Or maybe, Tuck Andress blow the doors off a song like Cyndi Lauper's "Time After Time."
Paradoxically, I can get into some rap and R&B more even though it's just as repetitive, if not more so than a punk/pop/rock song. Call me crazy, but I really dig Fort Minor. As far as other music that lots of kids like is concerned, I really appreciate the extra textures/moods that Linkin Park brings to their music. I'd probably have to say DT, SD and LP are 3 of my favorite acts to listen to these days.
Anyway, it's all good. People like whatever they like for whatever reason they like it. Not trying to change anyone's mind about anything. Have fun digging what you dig.
Astrofreq
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Green Day doesn't appeal to me either, but there's sure a lesson for anyone wanting a career in the music biz. They they've been riding their pseudo-punk schtick for about 12 years and now there's a jillion bands copying them. We would love to all be in that spot.
Who's a better player? Billy Joe Armstrong or John Petrucci? The forums would say Petrucci 100%. The public would say "who's John Petrucci?"
My point of all of this is that about 10 years ago I realized that I don't care if I'm a good player if the good looking redhead in the audience doesn't like my music.
Van Halen understood and practiced this concept more than any other band, which is why they forever rule ALL. I'm totally with you too that some rap is just killer. Talk about a challenge. Holding someone's attention for 3 minutes WITHOUT a melody. I can barely do it WITH a melody.
What Albert Lee is the best album to pick up? I want to check him out.
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