Calaveras
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anyone else think something is fishy with some of these posts?
- Thread starter Lonnystingray
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Soulkeeper
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Nah, I think there is something human with all of them. 
DrKev
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Guys, when something like this comes up (and it will become more common in the future)...
If you are an ebay member, log in and report the item as counterfeit. Congratulate yourselves on 20 seconds of work well done and then go back to what you were doping before.
If you are not an ebay member, just keep doing what you were doing before.
That's about the best we can do.
The simple fact is that is almost nothing that any of us here can do about this growing problem. Going after a single seller with one instrument won't change anything. Even when a website comes up selling them in large numbers very little can be done if it's based in another country or territory. It's an issue that will only be solved with political and diplomatic will which really doesn't exist unless the musical instrument industry becomes as big a money spinner the entertainment industry (i.e. never gonna happen). And there are a lot of other industries with similar problems. Compared to counterfeit aircraft parts and surgical equipment, guitars are pretty far down the list!
This kind of thing is coming up more and more frequently. At some point we'll just end up clogging the forum pages with these threads, or even worse, overwhelming EBMM or Wonderdog with notices of one loser on ebay with one crappy overpriced instrument.
And there is little point arguing amongst ourselves.
If ever EBMM has specific guidelines for us to follow, they'll let us know. In the mean time, report the sellers to ebay or wherever if you can, and if not, go back to making music, money, love, or whatever else rocks your world.
If you are an ebay member, log in and report the item as counterfeit. Congratulate yourselves on 20 seconds of work well done and then go back to what you were doping before.
If you are not an ebay member, just keep doing what you were doing before.
That's about the best we can do.
The simple fact is that is almost nothing that any of us here can do about this growing problem. Going after a single seller with one instrument won't change anything. Even when a website comes up selling them in large numbers very little can be done if it's based in another country or territory. It's an issue that will only be solved with political and diplomatic will which really doesn't exist unless the musical instrument industry becomes as big a money spinner the entertainment industry (i.e. never gonna happen). And there are a lot of other industries with similar problems. Compared to counterfeit aircraft parts and surgical equipment, guitars are pretty far down the list!
This kind of thing is coming up more and more frequently. At some point we'll just end up clogging the forum pages with these threads, or even worse, overwhelming EBMM or Wonderdog with notices of one loser on ebay with one crappy overpriced instrument.
And there is little point arguing amongst ourselves.
If ever EBMM has specific guidelines for us to follow, they'll let us know. In the mean time, report the sellers to ebay or wherever if you can, and if not, go back to making music, money, love, or whatever else rocks your world.
billy-whizz
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All I am saying is this guitar was not advertised as an EBMM and should not be assessed as one. It makes no claim to be genuine. I wanted a five string bass just for a lark, so there is no way i was going to buy a real bongo - as beautiful as they are. I was not seriously looking to play one, just a spare bass to play with. I looked at several mid market and budget five strings. Warwick offered one of the widest choices, but they all sounded like lazzy bands on a wooden plank. Then someone showed me this and it so0unded and felt quite good.
I absolutely LOVE my Rickenbacker 4001 and feel my Stingray is infinitely better than my old American Fender P Bass. What impressed me about this guitar was the sound, which wsas like a five string version of my Ricky. I could play with Chris Squire licks on 5 strings!!! AND, I bought it for a pocket money price.
If I was a serious 5 string afficionado I could sell one of my good guitars and buy a Bongo, but I don't want to. When i want to ammuse the kids with heavy metal licks I can use this fella. With a good set of strings it plays quite nicely.
BUT I WOULD NEVER DENIGRATE MY STINGRAY OR MY LOYALTY TO EB STRINGS BY CLAIMING IT WAS ANYWHERE NEAR A REAL MM PRODUCT - that is the point. Serious musicians would avoid if because of what it is not. Kids wanting to play Metallica would equally never fork out for a real Bongo.
A few quid for a fun guitar is fine, if you want to be picky buy a real Bongo and shell out the real cost.
Remember, these fake instruments fool nobody. I knew the instant i saw that listing that it was not an EBMM - even from a small thumbprint photo on ebay - so nobody is being conned.
I absolutely LOVE my Rickenbacker 4001 and feel my Stingray is infinitely better than my old American Fender P Bass. What impressed me about this guitar was the sound, which wsas like a five string version of my Ricky. I could play with Chris Squire licks on 5 strings!!! AND, I bought it for a pocket money price.
If I was a serious 5 string afficionado I could sell one of my good guitars and buy a Bongo, but I don't want to. When i want to ammuse the kids with heavy metal licks I can use this fella. With a good set of strings it plays quite nicely.
BUT I WOULD NEVER DENIGRATE MY STINGRAY OR MY LOYALTY TO EB STRINGS BY CLAIMING IT WAS ANYWHERE NEAR A REAL MM PRODUCT - that is the point. Serious musicians would avoid if because of what it is not. Kids wanting to play Metallica would equally never fork out for a real Bongo.
A few quid for a fun guitar is fine, if you want to be picky buy a real Bongo and shell out the real cost.
Remember, these fake instruments fool nobody. I knew the instant i saw that listing that it was not an EBMM - even from a small thumbprint photo on ebay - so nobody is being conned.
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Soulkeeper
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As far as I understand there was at least one picture in the ad where you could see the headstock, and the headstock said "Music Man Bongo". That was, until the seller removed the picture.
Do I remember this incorrectly?
But why do you feel this need to explain yourself to us?
You're quite the optimist.
Or you don't hold your own intelligence in high regard. "If they can't fool me, they can't fool anybody." Funny reasoning, that.
billy-whizz
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But why do you feel this need to explain yourself to us?
I just think people who are lucky or dedicated enough to have the real thing can be sniffy, snobbish and elitist about what they have. This base may be a "fake", but packs a damned good sound all the same.
You're quite the optimist.
Or you don't hold your own intelligence in high regard. "If they can't fool me, they can't fool anybody." Funny reasoning, that.[/QUOTE]
What the hell are you rattling on about!! Anybody who knows what a bongo looks like would instantly spot this as a fake from a mile off, so they aren't actually achieving a con on anyone. If you tried to sell a Mini as a Rolls-Royce nobody would be fooled so nobody would get ripped off. Same with this bass. Nonetheless, it is a nice instrument in it's own right - probably by accident more than design. Much more responsive than a real Fender PB and nearly as crystal clear as a seasoned Ricky.
I just think people who are lucky or dedicated enough to have the real thing can be sniffy, snobbish and elitist about what they have. This base may be a "fake", but packs a damned good sound all the same.
You're quite the optimist.
Or you don't hold your own intelligence in high regard. "If they can't fool me, they can't fool anybody." Funny reasoning, that.[/QUOTE]
What the hell are you rattling on about!! Anybody who knows what a bongo looks like would instantly spot this as a fake from a mile off, so they aren't actually achieving a con on anyone. If you tried to sell a Mini as a Rolls-Royce nobody would be fooled so nobody would get ripped off. Same with this bass. Nonetheless, it is a nice instrument in it's own right - probably by accident more than design. Much more responsive than a real Fender PB and nearly as crystal clear as a seasoned Ricky.
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