tuners keeps going flat

[MCBTunes]

There's part of your problem there, the bridge isn't resting on the body as it is designed to do, therefore, when you tune the guitar, and say you bend a note, the tension has changed, thus causing a little more settling in postion of the bridge. Tighten the claw screws underneath the guitar until the bridge rests on the guitar. Do this in small increments, tuning the guitar as you go along.

If you need step by step help, just ask I will walk you through it...

Wow thanks raz, I actually almost had to screw those screws in all the way, it was crazy...

Does this mean I shouldnt go to higher gauge strings? I wanted to go from Super slinkies to Power slinkies.... I've got 10's on her right now.

Now whats this nut deal, how do I do it, or how much would it cost ~ to get my local music store to do it?

Maybe some of this will help with my major fretbuzz.....

Thanks a lot you guys, I really appreciate this.

 

[Raz]

Wow thanks raz, I actually almost had to screw those screws in all the way, it was crazy...

Does this mean I shouldnt go to higher gauge strings? I wanted to go from Super slinkies to Power slinkies.... I've got 10's on her right now.

Now whats this nut deal, how do I do it, or how much would it cost ~ to get my local music store to do it?

Maybe some of this will help with my major fretbuzz.....

Thanks a lot you guys, I really appreciate this.

Now if you're talking about the CLAW screws, underneath holding the springs, and if you are having to screw them ALL THE WAY in, then maybe you either need another spring or new springs.

How many springs does it have now?

If you go to a higher guage the problem will be worse...more tension on the bridge...

The fret buzz is another story we can fix that also, but let's do one thing at a time...get that bridge level, resting on the body first. Then we'll check check for RELIEF on the neck/fret buzz!

 

[MCBTunes]

Now if you're talking about the CLAW screws, underneath holding the springs, and if you are having to screw them ALL THE WAY in, then maybe you either need another spring or new springs.

How many springs does it have now?

If you go to a higher guage the problem will be worse...more tension on the bridge...

The fret buzz is another story we can fix that also, but let's do one thing at a time...get that bridge level, resting on the body first. Then we'll check check for RELIEF on the neck/fret buzz!

It stays tuned much better than before by the way, thankyou.... it still goes out a little though over night, I imagin thats either the nut or the way I stringed it...

There are two springs, and they arent quite all the way in, but you couldnt fit the end of your fingerin the gap probably. Instead of going out and getting new springs for new strings I'll stick with this as long as it keeps working.

Do you have the patients to teach me some a little guitar setup or is there a good online resource somewhere I could use?

I know what relief is, I know how to adjust it I just dont know how much , I believe you measure it by putting your elbow on E and fretting 1st then checking to see if theres a gap. Creditcard width?

Should I deal with action etc aswell?

 

[Raz]

It stays tuned much better than before by the way, thankyou.... it still goes out a little though over night, I imagin thats either the nut or the way I stringed it...

There are two springs, and they arent quite all the way in, but you couldnt fit the end of your fingerin the gap probably. Instead of going out and getting new springs for new strings I'll stick with this as long as it keeps working.

Do you have the patients to teach me some a little guitar setup or is there a good online resource somewhere I could use?

I know what relief is, I know how to adjust it I just dont know how much , I believe you measure it by putting your elbow on E and fretting 1st then checking to see if theres a gap. Creditcard width?

Should I deal with action etc aswell?

Wow you're on your way to becoming your very own guitar tech, definately the best way to go! I recommend you putting in another spring. However if it is sitting on the body, then that's cool. AS far as tuning goes there are a few steps to take to ensure you guitar will stay in tune nicely. Some people will dispute what I will say next, but hey it's my way and it works great.

When tuning I start off with the high E string. Before starting though, I tune all of the strings flat or just ease off on the tension abit. Now back to the high E. Always tune from FLAT to PITCH, never backwards as this may cause you tuning problems. So ease up to pitch then proceed to B and so on. Now ALWAYS go back and re-check. Normally your strings should be a touch flat, bring them up to pitch and VOILA!

Now onto BUZZING. You're dead on with checking relief, although I never measure, I eyeball...you'll get a feel for it.

I'm assuming the OLP has the same truss rod adjustment as the EBMM's, then
to adjust for bows/humps turn the nut clockwise to raise the fretboard, counter clockwise to lower it. In other words, if there is no gap turn the nut counter clockwise. BE CAREFUL HERE, go only a quarter turn at a time...tune it, and let it settlle, then try a little later on.

Now as for the action I use the buzz-no buzz method. In other words I drop the string height as low as possible. The best way to do this is to follow the profile of the necks fretboard radius. Here's how I do it:

This is much easier to do with the strings off the guitar. I take a piece of light cardboard (shoebox top) . Cut a rectangle about 2x3. On the 3" side notch a groove in the cntre for the truss rod adjuster, then hold the cardboard perpendicular against the bottom of the neck. Now on the fret side (you should be holding on the pickup side) trace the profile of the radius with a pencil. This is now the UNDERSIDE of you jig or radius template. MAKE SURE to mark off the exact edges. CUT out the template remembering the bottom is the important edge and check it by resting it on the fretboard. Restring. Now lower your low E string until it buzzes, then raise it a touch. Now use the guide at the bridge to adjust the radius to the saddle heights. Again check at the 22 fret by holding the guide on top of the strings, and make any final adjustments.

Again people will dispute this method, but it works wonders for me

 

[OrangeChannel]

No Jon, you said "original" Blackspy said "officially" See you in court

Man I need to lay off the cold meds and posting simultaneously...hehehe
BTW Basketball Court?

 

[jongitarz]

Man I need to lay off the cold meds and posting simultaneously...hehehe
BTW Basketball Court?

You said sue me...It's too late..lawyers are already in motion

 

[MCBTunes]

excellent raz I'll give the template ago. Will I wreck the strings by taking them off and putting them back on?

However I thought E was supposed to be the highes string.... It is the biggest so requires a slightly larger action, then from there they drop in action height slightly? Or is that what you meant when you said some wil disagree?

 

[Raz]

excellent raz I'll give the template ago. Will I wreck the strings by taking them off and putting them back on?

However I thought E was supposed to be the highes string.... It is the biggest so requires a slightly larger action, then from there they drop in action height slightly? Or is that what you meant when you said some wil disagree?

You are correct, my mistake it's the underside of the strings...very good observation there...I could say I was testing you but then I'd be a liar...here look at this:



UNDERSTRING Radius Guages

 

[MCBTunes]

thanks raz. helped me a lot the last few days.

This is a really frustrating process. I cant get the correct balance of action and relief. I dont always play with distortion so I cant deal with this fretbuzz...

So I started fidling with the action and now it is going out of tune again, but the bridge is still good.

Everything has officially gone crazy....At medium action I am getting major buzz D&G from 11-7.... So this is what I did, droped the action as low as it would go, raised it to the point where I could tune it and I'll let it sit for a few hours, then I will raise the action little by little while tuning. At medium action there is still roughly a credit card of relief at the 8th fret so I assume thats good.....

To think, I had it playing decent until I went and screwed with it. I even added a dead spot on D 11th fret.

You think I should just take it in to long and mcquade? Or should I keep trying to get it?

 

[Raz]

thanks raz. helped me a lot the last few days.

This is a really frustrating process. I cant get the correct balance of action and relief. I dont always play with distortion so I cant deal with this fretbuzz...

So I started fidling with the action and now it is going out of tune again, but the bridge is still good.

Everything has officially gone crazy....At medium action I am getting major buzz D&G from 11-7.... So this is what I did, droped the action as low as it would go, raised it to the point where I could tune it and I'll let it sit for a few hours, then I will raise the action little by little while tuning. At medium action there is still roughly a credit card of relief at the 8th fret so I assume thats good.....

To think, I had it playing decent until I went and screwed with it. I even added a dead spot on D 11th fret.

You think I should just take it in to long and mcquade? Or should I keep trying to get it?

Wow sorry dude, I feel like an idiot...I know here in Ottawa the humidity has screwed up most of my setups...is the guitar new? Because if it is, usually they give you one free setup. I'm not familiar with OLP, nor am I familiar with the bridge. Are you screwing both screws for each saddle? Like I said, I've adjusted the action on all 7 of my guitars, granted 3 are with Floyds, but the other 4 have vintage style trems...and I have never had these problems. When you hear the buzzing, is it through the amplifier? Do an internet search on action/guitar setup/buzzing and you'll see that what I explained is only a small fraction of possible issues that a guitar can have...again I apologize!

 

[MCBTunes]

Wow sorry dude, I feel like an idiot...I know here in Ottawa the humidity has screwed up most of my setups...is the guitar new? Because if it is, usually they give you one free setup. I'm not familiar with OLP, nor am I familiar with the bridge. Are you screwing both screws for each saddle? Like I said, I've adjusted the action on all 7 of my guitars, granted 3 are with Floyds, but the other 4 have vintage style trems...and I have never had these problems. When you hear the buzzing, is it through the amplifier? Do an internet search on action/guitar setup/buzzing and you'll see that what I explained is only a small fraction of possible issues that a guitar can have...again I apologize!

woaaa dude you have nothing to apologise for man, you've done nothing but help me. I've learnt a lot for you already in these last few days. Infact today I jacked the action up a lil and voila, it plays decently again.... tightining the truss rod last night did wonders. Now it is tuning sharp within a matter of minutes of tuning though haha. Any ideas why it would tune sharp? Ok well once again, I am nothing but completely greatful for your help.... my guitar was so unplayable before well... I didnt play it haha.

 

[Raz]

woaaa dude you have nothing to apologise for man, you've done nothing but help me. I've learnt a lot for you already in these last few days. Infact today I jacked the action up a lil and voila, it plays decently again.... tightining the truss rod last night did wonders. Now it is tuning sharp within a matter of minutes of tuning though haha. Any ideas why it would tune sharp? Ok well once again, I am nothing but completely greatful for your help.... my guitar was so unplayable before well... I didnt play it haha.

Well I may have asked you this before...but where in Canada are you? We're having a discussion on humidity, and how it affects our children...err guitar necks. So I know here inOttawa, yesterday it was +30c...and humid as a...meh I won't go there...trust me it was humid. So I look at my guitars, all of them looked like bows for slinging arrows...JEESH! So the battle is never ending!

 

[MCBTunes]

Well I may have asked you this before...but where in Canada are you? We're having a discussion on humidity, and how it affects our children...err guitar necks. So I know here inOttawa, yesterday it was +30c...and humid as a...meh I won't go there...trust me it was humid. So I look at my guitars, all of them looked like bows for slinging arrows...JEESH! So the battle is never ending!

Raz, I'm in Saskatoon. I dont really follow humidity, so I dont know when its high or even how it effects the guitar. Maybe I should check it out. But, it is pretty dry around here I think. Yesterday we had a really cold breeze, and today it is still slightly cooler.

My dead spot is gone thank goodness, its just buzzing around the 9th fret now, but other than that its playing good. I'm going in to buy some Long & McQuade Regular strings today to put on her to see

Hey atleast you know how to fix your guitars up nice and perfect already your set right? Thats why it's best to know how to do your own setup I guess, everything is always changing and you can keep perfect. I'm gonna search the net and find as much info as I can, like you said there is probably a ton of stuff I still dont know yet. I'm just glad I have the basics, I know a little about the truss rod, action and intonation.

Maybe I'll beable to turn this cheapy into a real player. I still need to completely rebuild my bass rig and add a bongo, plus my University next year so I might not beable to add the Silouette Special that I've been wanting for awhile. But as soon as I can I will be on it and I'll never let go .

 

[Raz]

Raz, I'm in Saskatoon. I dont really follow humidity, so I dont know when its high or even how it effects the guitar. Maybe I should check it out. But, it is pretty dry around here I think. Yesterday we had a really cold breeze, and today it is still slightly cooler.

My dead spot is gone thank goodness, its just buzzing around the 9th fret now, but other than that its playing good. I'm going in to buy some Long & McQuade Regular strings today to put on her to see

Hey atleast you know how to fix your guitars up nice and perfect already your set right? Thats why it's best to know how to do your own setup I guess, everything is always changing and you can keep perfect. I'm gonna search the net and find as much info as I can, like you said there is probably a ton of stuff I still dont know yet. I'm just glad I have the basics, I know a little about the truss rod, action and intonation.

Maybe I'll beable to turn this cheapy into a real player. I still need to completely rebuild my bass rig and add a bongo, plus my University next year so I might not beable to add the Silouette Special that I've been wanting for awhile. But as soon as I can I will be on it and I'll never let go .

Good for you bro, enjoy...your on the right track...school's important.