UK Black Sparkle....... Azzy??? #2 already for you

[strummer]

heh heh a bongo eh hmmmmmmm or ideally a white ray with matching headstock mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
by the way heres me
www.myspace.com/gafbass02

Ok, partner, let's sort this out right here and now: What is it that does not sit perfectly right with your black Ray? On that other board you mentioned (i think) sound, too few frets and something else? Why on earth would you then get another Ray?

You know what I think, I think you are really just a Gear Whore, trying to justify the itch of just swapping instruments And that's fine too, you know

Listen to the doctor: play a Bongo or two and call me in the morging.

 

[Big Poppa]

Hey

Glad you kids worked it out...what about that bad rep this forum has? it seems to be doing really well. Your post was a good reminder to all of us that the regulars get along really well and sometimes the jokes arent quite understood by the lurkers.

Keep the ray or trade it for a lighter one. I am in no way bagging on another manufacturuer but Warwicks generally are signifigantly heavier than our basses

 

[gafbass02]

cool

cool...........hey lets do the scooby doo ending!

 

[azzy_wazzy]

I'll be good from now on I promise Blame it on the wait for my Sterling... still got a week to go! Gaaaaaaah! Making me cranky...

 

[syciprider]

Bad gurl Azzy, this thread has made it to TB.

Get ready to receive your spanking.

 

[strummer]

Bad gurl Azzy, this thread has made it to TB.

Get ready to receive your spanking.

Awww, they're so traditional, no way they're into spankin'

 

[azzy_wazzy]

Bad gurl Azzy, this thread has made it to TB.

Get ready to receive your spanking.

Well I apologised, OP accepted - nobody else has got a right to get in a miff... I'm not registered on TB, but maybe I should go into hiding for a few days.

Am I allowed to legitmately blame it on PMT?

 

[strummer]

Azzy, let's both brace ourselves for the verdict on our behaviour from the godlike users of the illustrious TB board

 

[azzy_wazzy]

Azzy, let's both brace ourselves for the verdict on our behaviour from the godlike users of the illustrious TB board

Well it's bedtime for me anyway - guess I'll see what havoc I've caused when I have my breakfast tomorrow... and hey strummer, a comment like that could get you into trouble

 

[Aussie Mark]

Warwicks generally are significantly heavier than our basses

And here I was thinking that Jack was the Kissinger of bass.

 

[roballanson]

cool...........hey lets do the scooby doo ending!

I will trade you a bongo 5 for that little beauty if you like.....pm me.

 

[dlloyd]

what about that bad rep this forum has? it seems to be doing really well.

There's a few issues that have been mentioned on other forums. I don't share all of these opinions, but I'll paraphrase them...

1. There's a perceived cliquiness to the forum, whereby posts from UK and European contributors (or at least the male ones) tend to be ignored. I know at least one long-time regular here has given up posting on the EB forum because of this. Much of this, I reckon, comes down to time zone differences. I'm generally most active as a poster between 9 am and 5 pm, and sometimes during the evening. That's between 4 am to 12 pm to those of you in New York and between 1 am and 9 am to those of you in California. It's only natural that you tend to make friends with people who post at the same time as you. I tend to catch the tail-end of conversations and post when you're all asleep.

2. The attitude of some of the regulars towards people who modify their instruments. There's nothing wrong with pointing out that swapping the pickups might be inadvisable, given that it has an adverse effect on resale prices, but some of the attacks we've had in the past on people who have changed pickups and preamps have been pretty poor. We know you love your bass, but don't take it as a personal insult if someone else doesn't love theirs as much.

3. The attitude the same regulars have towards people who express disatisfaction with their EB/MM instrument. A simple nudge towards customer service is all that's needed. Sure, this goes both ways, we get a lot of people coming in with attitude born from frustration with setup problems.

 

[kompressaur]

be thankful theres no signature basses

 

[strummer]

There's a few issues that have been mentioned on other forums. I don't share all of these opinions, but I'll paraphrase them...

1. There's a perceived cliquiness to the forum, whereby posts from UK and European contributors (or at least the male ones) tend to be ignored. I know at least one long-time regular here has given up posting on the EB forum because of this. Much of this, I reckon, comes down to time zone differences. I'm generally most active as a poster between 9 am and 5 pm, and sometimes during the evening. That's between 4 am to 12 pm to those of you in New York and between 1 am and 9 am to those of you in California. It's only natural that you tend to make friends with people who post at the same time as you. I tend to catch the tail-end of conversations and post when you're all asleep.

2. The attitude of some of the regulars towards people who modify their instruments. There's nothing wrong with pointing out that swapping the pickups might be inadvisable, given that it has an adverse effect on resale prices, but some of the attacks we've had in the past on people who have changed pickups and preamps have been pretty poor. We know you love your bass, but don't take it as a personal insult if someone else doesn't love theirs as much.

3. The attitude the same regulars have towards people who express disatisfaction with their EB/MM instrument. A simple nudge towards customer service is all that's needed. Sure, this goes both ways, we get a lot of people coming in with attitude born from frustration with setup problems.

No 1 is really familiar to me, at least the part about catching tail-ends. I don't think we (male europeans) get ignored, though. Basically there are a lot of "them" and very few of "us". Also, they do have that Bongo-toting cowboy, the alcohol-drenced postmeister, the worlds neatest punk and so on.

No 2 is a tricky one I think. I mean, as soon as you modify your instrument you will use non-EBMM parts, and while that in itself is fine if you prefer it that way, posting about such on the EBMM site isn't really all that polite. Also, there are other sites that deal extensively with modifications, and at least one (run by a licking dude) I think has a separate forum for it.
Attitude wise I myself somtetimes feel attacked when someone does not totally like the instrument I choose as my main bass. Or at least when they have the nerve to believe that they can actually better said instrument by modifying it, putting a different pick up or electronics into it.
Cowever, on other mods I'm totally cool. Like the Abba dude who moved the pick up to be able to slap, or the canadian madman who got rid of the neck finish.
Anyway, if you show up on the official EBMM forum wanting to show your (with non-EBMM parts) modified bass, claiming it's better than the original, I'd say you were asking for it.

No 3 almost always come from the attitude of the original poster. Again, coming here to bash an EBMM product is just impolite.

I do wonder where JB1 went?

 

[strummer]

be thankful theres no signature basses

Lol!

 

[dlloyd]

Attitude wise I myself somtetimes feel attacked when someone does not totally like the instrument I choose as my main bass. Or at least when they have the nerve to believe that they can actually better said instrument by modifying it, putting a different pick up or electronics into it.

I'm currently considering swapping the preamp in my three band Stingray because I'd prefer it to be two-band and I'd like to have a passive option with passive tone control. That would make my bass better for me. Currently it's almost perfect, but it doesn't quite do everything I want it to. Is that an attack on EBMM or on people who use the instruments?

 

[SteveB]

There's a few issues that have been mentioned on other forums. I don't share all of these opinions, but I'll paraphrase them...

1. There's a perceived cliquiness to the forum, whereby posts from UK and European contributors (or at least the male ones) tend to be ignored. I know at least one long-time regular here has given up posting on the EB forum because of this.

I can't understand how anyone could perceive this.. we've got lots of valued posters from the UK and Europe.. just off the top of my head:

UK: you (dlloyd), DaveB, Azzy_Wazzy, Bungo, roballanson, SmellyBum, Tim O'Sullivan, SpudMurphy,

Europe: Mick, Strummer, Tokkes, Dees, threeminutesboy, Philip, Tristan

When you look at the actual number of PEOPLE who are posting, I think the UK and Europe are very well represented. We also have great representation from Oz and Canada.


someone mentioned JB1 so I checked his profile.. it doesn't even tell us where he's from! It's hard to discriminate against your nationality when we don't know what it is!

 

[azzy_wazzy]

I would also have to say that I don't feel this place to be cliquey at all! I've been on many forums which DID feel it to me, and that's why I settled on here in the end. This place is very welcoming and friendly otherwise I wouldn't have posted here for over a year before getting to own an instrument - some people just take a bit of getting used to!

I will admit that I was out of line with what I said yesterday, but I was tired and didn't use the right words or put things in the right way. This forum does get a bad press and I can't really understand why, although behaviour like mine no doubt doesn't help.

BTW, Steve, you DO KNOW I'm not male don't you

 

[Big Poppa]

OK I get it. I dont get the male/female innuendo Are you reverse discriminating against our one UK poster who is active and Female and a positive contributor?? How about Tiffles? She is the lone Aussie female poster and isnt paid more attention to because of her sex, she is funny sharp and clever. what you have seen is women that post are no longer subjected to silly sexual innuendos, and condecending attitudes that made them run as far away as possible form not only our forum but our brand.. If someones thread tanked it had nothing to do with dress size.

Regarding modding you axe. Ask Psyicpet...we joke with him about it and we understand. An action gets a reaction. If some rips the snot out of our efforts in order to justify thier mod, then they will get an appropriate response. I have found that the most insensitive posters are the most sensitive to the reaction THEY created.

THis also goes for people posting dissatisfaction with their instruments. If you post that my StingRay sucks or such you will get chastiased and then deluged with suggestions and offered customer service.If you read my posts regarding competitiion I always object to VS (I prefer or) you will also note that I support and am good friends with just about all of our competition. How many times have I said that choices are good?

The interaction between the black sparkle seller and the forum was a great example of people having an opinion of an offering and maybe getting carried away with judgement. the guy posted pissed off ripping the forum (that he is registered to), the people explained the humor gone sideways and apologized for being too hard on him and next thing you know they are all joking and all is good. The funny thing is that they were cartooning on him because of his price and in the end they all agreed what the final selling price should be. The seller just was using a different tactic to get to the same result.

If you want to babble on about a stingray being a one trick pony or talk about EVH you wont like the response.

I cant respond to clickiness......forums by nature are. Talk Bass has as many clicks as major cities have ethnic neighborhoods. Thats a good thing. It is why these forums exist. People want to communicate with people who share their specific passion.

On the other forums expecially that big one the buck stops nowhere. You may get deleted but here the buck stops with our mods, employees and finally me. Ying and Yang. The good side is that you can get the straight story, the bad is if you are disrespectful, or continually post misinformation you get called for it. Its really hard to post a cheap shot here.

This is a blank canvas every morning. If you post threads that are interesting to this brand specific forum you will get a response. If it doesn't it has nothing to do with race creed or sex. Your contribution didnt hit a nerve. We have lost posters that I really miss. We have lost posters that I wish would have never wasted my bandwidth. The only thing I know is that each and every day more people join and nobody including Jack, Beth or I are irreplacable.

Here is the net result of this forum. We win more than we lose. We have more desirable offerings available because of direct consumer input. (55 new models last year alone and about 15,000 different combinations). We have gone from a 3 month backorder to 6 months. WE have a bunch of new stuff that we just cant fit into our limited production.

D, look you posted a great thread and I really tried to objectively address it. Watch the posts on this thread. I promise you that their will be people who use this as an opportunity to be a keyboard warrior and see the response they get. It will be quite different than the responses your thoughtful and honest thread recieved.
thanks

 

[Big Poppa]

I'm currently considering swapping the preamp in my three band Stingray because I'd prefer it to be two-band and I'd like to have a passive option with passive tone control. That would make my bass better for me. Currently it's almost perfect, but it doesn't quite do everything I want it to. Is that an attack on EBMM or on people who use the instruments?

Hey Dave

Whatever you do save the original to preserve resale should you decide to sell or change your mind.