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Jason5150
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I can't believe I am the only one voting for a BFR JP-F! Flame top.
GHWelles, You're not the only one. I have placed an order with the local for a Bahama Blueburst and gave preference to them for flame.......have to wait and see if I hear anything back.
F-1 Quilt, all the way.
i wouldn't mind buying one from an inventory, except for the fact that there barely is an inventory here. I had to order my JP7 without trying one out, which was very spooky to order somthing that costs that much not being able to test it.
So if my dealer didn't bring even a single JP7 to this country up until i orderd one, it will most likely never gonna bring a JP7-F1 up until i'll order one, and i won't do that until i am a 100% sure i'll get quilt.
Any chance of BFR's being sold from the US overseas?
i wouldn't mind buying one from an inventory, except for the fact that there barely is an inventory here. I had to order my JP7 without trying one out, which was very spooky to order somthing that costs that much not being able to test it.
So if my dealer didn't bring even a single JP7 to this country up until i orderd one, it will most likely never gonna bring a JP7-F1 up until i'll order one, and i won't do that until i am a 100% sure i'll get quilt.
Any chance of BFR's being sold from the US overseas?
roburado
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Nobody is saying that there's an audible difference. It's completely visual and personal preference. They will be amazing guitars no matter what.
Even so, I still don't want to order something that doesn't appeal to me visually. Would you order an LE instrument if you wouldn't be told what the color was? Sure, it'd be a great guitar as quality goes, and it would play great, and it would be the model you like... but you'd have no idea if you'd like the end result.
Maybe it would come in one of two colors.. bubble gum pink or blue dawn, but you wouldn't get to specify which color... and you hate sparkles.
Let's be honest here, after you've settled on a model that is comfortable in your hands, what's the next attribute that drives your purchasing decision? (Okay, Okay.. after some of you select hardtail or trem!
I guess what I'm saying is exactly what you're saying about these being amazing guitars anyway. I'm not a flame-maple kind of guy, but I got over it really quickly after I heard the way my 20th sounded in the store through that F-100.
I'd love to buy a guitar from inventory if I could. That way I could know that it's going to be quilt or flame or whatever color, and I'd know that the guitar felt and sounded right to me. But that's going to be really difficult.
I'm starting to wonder if there is so little EBMM inventory in the stores near me, because there is such a backlog. Maybe, the inventory gets sold, and it takes a long time to replace it.
I think the bubble gum pink vs. blue dawn is kind of an extreme example. I doubt that pink paint and blue paint are as difficult to get as nicely figured maple. To a certain degree, we're just going to have to be happy with what we can get, because there is only so much wood in the world. EBMM has to compete with auto manufacturers, furniture manufacturers, etc. to get nicely figured wood. There are so many barriers to getting wood blanks. For example, India only releasing rosewood blanks that are big enough for instrument necks, not bodies, etc.
Yeah, I'd love to be able to specify quilt, but I'll take flame on a guitar that plays wonderfully and sounds fantastic if I can't get quilt.
SteveB
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SteveB
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Rob,
Yes, the color example was extreme, hence the.
In the end, we will all happily accept whatever EBMM decides is the best policy, and then make a purchasing decision.
Ideally, everyone would be able to find some inventory locally and choose the BFR that they want, but the prospect of finding EBMM guitars in local stores is an age-old dilemma that has been discussed many times on this forum.
The brothers DuBaldo will certainly solve this problem for several people by having some BFR inventory. But BFR's are (presumably) more expensive for dealers, too... and Pete has mentioned that he's trying to get as many as he can without spreading himself too thin. There is a *ton* of interest in these guitars!
This poll is simply a tool to collect some opinions which may or may not reveal any data of interest. We may only learn that it is truly impossible to get a consensus here.
Yes, the color example was extreme, hence the
. In the end, we will all happily accept whatever EBMM decides is the best policy, and then make a purchasing decision.
Ideally, everyone would be able to find some inventory locally and choose the BFR that they want, but the prospect of finding EBMM guitars in local stores is an age-old dilemma that has been discussed many times on this forum.
The brothers DuBaldo will certainly solve this problem for several people by having some BFR inventory. But BFR's are (presumably) more expensive for dealers, too... and Pete has mentioned that he's trying to get as many as he can without spreading himself too thin. There is a *ton* of interest in these guitars!
This poll is simply a tool to collect some opinions which may or may not reveal any data of interest. We may only learn that it is truly impossible to get a consensus here.
PeteDuBaldo
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We will do what we can to get some BFRs in stock, but I can't help it if they sell out before they get here. Over half our NAMM orders are already spoken for.
kneeoh
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I'm with Phatty on this. Quilt or flame isn't a big issue for me so long as the guitar is amazing... this of course is not a problem with any Ball.
Big Poppa
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NO on the usa to israel....thas not a new topic...sorry that we cant guarantee figured wood.
adam no wories just makin a point that yiou may have to travel if your local dealer doesnt stock em
I need everyone to look at these results with a clear mind and realize how frustrating it can be when we try to offer new stuff. a consensus is really hard and so many people feel so strongly about their choice that they dont want us to please someone else who may feel equally pasionate about their choice.
I could solve it with foggies price plan but I find that distasteful. I know these are expensive but my beancounters thisnk they are too cheap. I know if you compare them to some of the established figured maple guys they are as cheap as I can make them and stqay in business.
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It's Cool, i understand and didn't actually think you'd change that policy for the BFR's, i do realize that it's like this for a reason.
I'll just have to hope that when i'll be at th US Pete will have some quilted JP7's in stock.
GHWelles
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Dargin
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Wood brokers do not like to sell customers only 5A tops. Quilt especially. If that is all you request you will get an astronomical quote. They would also like you to buy 3A and 4A. What would they do with the rest of the log after it's been cherry picked?
SteveB
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73h Nils
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Quilt JP (7) FTW!
beej
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Wow- a lot of passion for the BFRs.
When I first heard about this, I expected there would be a lot of one-offs and people would buy stock at dealers. I didn't expect to see so much discussion about specific orders, as I thought the whole point of BFR was "whatever the guys at the factory want to make".
With that philosophy in mind, I vote for luck of the draw.
Hey- even if you order quilt or flame on a regular guitar, you're really getting luck of the draw as every piece of wood is different. The only solution is to buy what's in stock.
When I first heard about this, I expected there would be a lot of one-offs and people would buy stock at dealers. I didn't expect to see so much discussion about specific orders, as I thought the whole point of BFR was "whatever the guys at the factory want to make".
With that philosophy in mind, I vote for luck of the draw.
Hey- even if you order quilt or flame on a regular guitar, you're really getting luck of the draw as every piece of wood is different. The only solution is to buy what's in stock.
lumberjack
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I can't believe I am the only one voting for a BFR JP-F! Flame top.
It's O.K. buddy. I've got your back. Another vote for flame.
+1000. I knew when the BFR's were announced, they'd have a hit on their hands. But when Big Poppa mentioned the amount of orders that have come in already and that it would probably be a year back order, my jaw hit the floor. It's safe to say you guys hit a grand slam with this one.
SteveB
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Seriously!
BFR = Bigger Factory Required!
BFR = Bigger Factory Required!
DaveB
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This is a great bunch of threads - and I guess there is no way everyone will be happy.
FWIW - I think I'm going to have to order up some more for inventory in the store, then hopefully people can have a choice.
Dave
FWIW - I think I'm going to have to order up some more for inventory in the store, then hopefully people can have a choice.
Dave
roburado
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SteveB
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Yet another barrier.
Well, it's good that these threads toss some cold, hard reality into the mix every once in a while, eh?
At least we all gain some insight into the guitar-making business, and that's a good thing IMHO.
