TSanders
Well-known member
teonigil said:Anyway, I still firmly hold my opinion on the subject
Which is good to know. I mean why shouldnt you know more than the guy that runs the EBMM show.
- Thread starter chopperguy99
- Start date
Which is good to know. I mean why shouldnt you know more than the guy that runs the EBMM show.
prickly_pete
Well-known member
- Joined
- Oct 16, 2003
- Messages
- 708
The Stingray's output is smoother and more balanced than a Fender's. People who go from a Fender to a Stingray often think that the g-string is lower in volume, but actually it is more balanced than a Fender. Now the particular Stingray at issue here may be defective in some way.
I'm not here to bash MM, ( I have a HH SR4 on order as a matter of fact), but I purchased a new Sterling back in the early or mid-nineties, and it had a noticeably weaker D & G string. I tried to get used to it (and tried some of things mentioned in this thread), but ended up getting rid of it for that reason.
This is the first I've heard of a "thinner" G string coming from the SR preamp design. I thought it was a random/luck of the draw thing; or more appropriately, unlucky. Maybe in the extreme cases, there actually is a problem related to the wood resonance (I suspect this to be the case with my old Sterling), but in most other cases, it could be something that some players just can't get used to.
I hope I'm not one of those players, 'cause my honeyburst HH SR is gonna be pretty...
This is the first I've heard of a "thinner" G string coming from the SR preamp design. I thought it was a random/luck of the draw thing; or more appropriately, unlucky. Maybe in the extreme cases, there actually is a problem related to the wood resonance (I suspect this to be the case with my old Sterling), but in most other cases, it could be something that some players just can't get used to.
I hope I'm not one of those players, 'cause my honeyburst HH SR is gonna be pretty...
hankSRay
Well-known member
I would say its a wood/resonance issue if the G sounds weaker unplugged. I would have to agree with BP and say the thinner sounding G is a preamp thing ( I would guess and say he knows what hes talking about )
Morrow
Well-known member
Slightly bringing up the mid on the three band eq helps bring up the G. I also raised the pickup on that side.
Steve Dude Barr
Well-known member
- Joined
- Aug 3, 2005
- Messages
- 5,173
Or tap the fork on your forehead...
Last edited:
What Morrow says is correct.
I have both a 2 and 3EQ. The 3EQ is more prone to a weak 'G' then the 2EQ but boosting the mids on the 3EQ helps balance the string volume. Also installing a graphite neck, as I did on the 3EQ, further reduces the problem, though its an expensive fix and the impact is minimal.
I have both a 2 and 3EQ. The 3EQ is more prone to a weak 'G' then the 2EQ but boosting the mids on the 3EQ helps balance the string volume. Also installing a graphite neck, as I did on the 3EQ, further reduces the problem, though its an expensive fix and the impact is minimal.
BradBassMan
Well-known member
Yeah i have this problem too with my SR4 2EQ with maple board. I initially noticed in the studio as live it wasnt as prominent... i have tried adjusting the pickup, this did help a small amount but not a considerable difference unfortunately....aah well....
Rod Trussbroken
Moderator
I've never experienced with a 2 band but I have with the 3 band. With mid at 3/4 all's ok.
But some notice it and others don't. I think maybe a lot of it has to do with a persons individual hearing abilities at certain frequencies.
But some notice it and others don't. I think maybe a lot of it has to do with a persons individual hearing abilities at certain frequencies.
teonigil
Well-known member
- Joined
- Aug 16, 2005
- Messages
- 109
ebmuscmanlvr83 said:Which is good to know. I mean why shouldnt you know more than the guy that runs the EBMM show.
Because that's the plain truth dear ebmuscmanlvr83,
basses with the "G problem" can't be fixed. You can try to replace the pick-up, preamp, strings.... nothing really takes the problem away. I've been there and
so did a few other forum members as you can see.
If it's not the wood then I don't know what it is
BTW, you can find the same problem with other (not MM ) basses as well.
....and I have nothing against EBMM or BP, I love them both
bovinehost
Administrator
This is such a hot-button topic that I try to stay out of it. Everyone has an opinion about what it is, if it is, how it is....I can only say that I had one SR4 with a weaker G string, and it was fixed almost entirely by repositioning the pickup height and bigger gauge strings.
This is anecdotal and in no way meant to suggest that I have the ultimate answer to anything at all, but the manner in which my bass was 'fixed' led me to believe that it wasn't the wood.
Now that's just my story, and as far as I'm going to go with it!
Jack
This is anecdotal and in no way meant to suggest that I have the ultimate answer to anything at all, but the manner in which my bass was 'fixed' led me to believe that it wasn't the wood.
Now that's just my story, and as far as I'm going to go with it!
Jack
Big Poppa
Well-known member
one mans g string is another's cowpilot thong....
You guys can argue subjective stuff till you get blisters on your fingers....how come we never hear the complaint on the Sterling, Stingray5, or bongo? Same wood. diffferent preamp. Thats not to say the different woods and preamps can react differently.
You guys can argue subjective stuff till you get blisters on your fingers....how come we never hear the complaint on the Sterling, Stingray5, or bongo? Same wood. diffferent preamp. Thats not to say the different woods and preamps can react differently.
Mobay45
Well-known member
It never really bothered me much at all anyway. It's such a miniscule difference. I've never played a Sterling, but I have noticed that I don't ever think my G string is weak on my SR5 or my Bongo.
bovinehost
Administrator
Words to live by, folks.
Well, maybe not "to live by".
But they are words, anyway.
In my joking around only mood.
The reason you don't have a weak G on the SR5 is cuz it slips off the board before it can display that weakness.
Now not joking I love my EB bass and it has nothing the matter with it other than it found an idiot for an owner.
tk
The reason you don't have a weak G on the SR5 is cuz it slips off the board before it can display that weakness.
Now not joking I love my EB bass and it has nothing the matter with it other than it found an idiot for an owner.
tk
<Believe it or not it was a complaint of mine in the beginning when I worked with Leo. >
That's what I love about this forum.
Where else does 'The Man' sit-in with the players ?
He tells it like he sees it.
BP seems adamant on the preamp being the issue.
His facts suggest , that the preamp is the culprit on StingRays.
The same complaints are not seen much on the other models.
My 30 years of personal experience forms my own opinion.
I think that tonewood does impact tonal response.
Examples:
1. Ash body wood is usually considered brighter then alder, (that's tonal response).
A rosewood board vs. maple another tone variation etc....
2. Once had an awesome folded bass cab from the 70's. It always reasonated much more on the low G note. The frequency there made the whole cabinet vibrate more. A sympathtic vibration. Illustrates that the wood reasonates .
3. Owned an old 79 P-Bass once.
Easy playing neck with the heaviest and deadest body ever.
Tried all the Hot pickups and still couldn't get the bass to speak. Sold it.
Back to the preamp...
Seems to me, that the wood would be a prime factor in it's tonal characteristics.
The preamp magnifies the response, for better or worse.
To say nothing of each individuals pair of hands. I just hit harder on any inherent weak spots. Hey, I came up playing Fenders.
I agree that the SR4 preamp likely has an issue according to BP's info.
I think the bodywoods vary and some inherently reasonate better.
Come to think of it, that's usually the hallmark of a great sounding instrument.
When you play it unplugged, and the bass is already talking to you.
I would think these get few complaints. My opinion.
My SR4 has an ash body, rosewood neck and 2 band eq.
I have no complaints about the G string.
Far be it from me to argue with BP's view from the top.
Just my 2 cents...
That's what I love about this forum.
Where else does 'The Man' sit-in with the players ?
He tells it like he sees it.
BP seems adamant on the preamp being the issue.
His facts suggest , that the preamp is the culprit on StingRays.
The same complaints are not seen much on the other models.
My 30 years of personal experience forms my own opinion.
I think that tonewood does impact tonal response.
Examples:
1. Ash body wood is usually considered brighter then alder, (that's tonal response).
A rosewood board vs. maple another tone variation etc....
2. Once had an awesome folded bass cab from the 70's. It always reasonated much more on the low G note. The frequency there made the whole cabinet vibrate more. A sympathtic vibration. Illustrates that the wood reasonates .
3. Owned an old 79 P-Bass once.
Easy playing neck with the heaviest and deadest body ever.
Tried all the Hot pickups and still couldn't get the bass to speak. Sold it.
Back to the preamp...
Seems to me, that the wood would be a prime factor in it's tonal characteristics.
The preamp magnifies the response, for better or worse.
To say nothing of each individuals pair of hands. I just hit harder on any inherent weak spots. Hey, I came up playing Fenders.
I agree that the SR4 preamp likely has an issue according to BP's info.
I think the bodywoods vary and some inherently reasonate better.
Come to think of it, that's usually the hallmark of a great sounding instrument.
When you play it unplugged, and the bass is already talking to you.
I would think these get few complaints. My opinion.
My SR4 has an ash body, rosewood neck and 2 band eq.
I have no complaints about the G string.
Far be it from me to argue with BP's view from the top.
Just my 2 cents...
