sanderhermans
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Just to be clear. I DO get your point and i am sure you have made a good busines move. Just try to understand we are getting impatient for the new stuff coming up.
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Just to be clear. I DO get your point and i am sure you have made a good busines move. Just try to understand we are getting impatient for the new stuff coming up.
jlepre
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sanderhermans
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I think you all misunderstood my point. I am pretty sure musicman deleted all those colours to make room for new stuff, and NOT only because they didnt sell.... if that was the ONLY reason to cut em all out that would be a bad idea IMO. If there are multiple reasons like growing in pther regions, then it is a thought thru busines decision that fits into a larger plan.
However if musicman would release nothing new and kept their current line up as it is right now for a year or 2, then i stand by my point made in the earlier post.
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I think that there's a lot to do with StingRay, Sterling and Bongo. I think that people should discover the Musicman basses once again. There was a time when StingRay was absolutely one of the most notoicable bass on professional music scene ! But many bass players after years trusted new companies/luthiers or just change Musicmans to old Fenders. The same with Ampeg (many bass players choose/change to i.e. Aguilar now). I think that if maby Musicmans have passive tone option or maby even some custom shop there will be more customers who choose Musicmans ? Who knows ? Right know I notice that Musicman focus somewhat more on guitars and there are more "stars" playing Musicman guitars than basses... I'm a big fan of Musicman since 2005 when I bought my first StingRay and I wouldn't change this bass for anything... well, maby on 5 stringer with 2 Humbuckers 
but anyway I can't wait for new features ! The last best thing imo was introduce cobalt flatwounds - man ! I love flats on Musicmans ! I never be a fan of roundwounds. Big Al bass was great too (that dark midrange tone almost similar to P-bass or J-bass !) unfortunately bass players don;t discover this great basses. It's a pity...
but anyway I can't wait for new features ! The last best thing imo was introduce cobalt flatwounds - man ! I love flats on Musicmans ! I never be a fan of roundwounds. Big Al bass was great too (that dark midrange tone almost similar to P-bass or J-bass !) unfortunately bass players don;t discover this great basses. It's a pity...
bradfordws
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Here's something I have to add after thinking about this today - see pic from a 1980 catalog / colors page - and this is the very same catalog I used to flip through REPEATEDLY when I was a pup! This is before I ever attended a NAMM show - when you'd get catalogs off the rack (at the mom & pop music store - there was only one GC at this time) - notice the only colors offered are natural, white, black, sunburst and walnut. My point is..."What we have here is a failure to accept only a few colors after having been spoiled by many cool colors over the years since EB took over MM." That's all.
Hey Big Poppa... your 'right, it's impossible to please everybody!.... So don't let them get you frustrated!... Just do what you do, and keep making stellar instruments! You don't need to explain **** to nobody! If you want to cancel colours, or entire instruments you go right ahead. Hell, if you want to only offer one instrument in only hot pink cuz you think it's best for EBMM, then you go right ahead, only you guys know what's best for your company. Can't wait to see what's next! I'd sure like to shake your hand some day!
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Magic Jason
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I just can't wait anymore!!!
steevo
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To open a custom shop just to offer more colour combos/pickguards/woods etc. would not make any sense.I think that there's a lot to do with StingRay, Sterling and Bongo. I think that people should discover the Musicman basses once again. There was a time when StingRay was absolutely one of the most notoicable bass on professional music scene ! But many bass players after years trusted new companies/luthiers or just change Musicmans to old Fenders. The same with Ampeg (many bass players choose/change to i.e. Aguilar now). I think that if maby Musicmans have passive tone option or maby even some custom shop there will be more customers who choose Musicmans ? Who knows ? Right know I notice that Musicman focus somewhat more on guitars and there are more "stars" playing Musicman guitars than basses... I'm a big fan of Musicman since 2005 when I bought my first StingRay and I wouldn't change this bass for anything... well, maby on 5 stringer with 2 Humbuckers
Every musicman ive ever played is above and beyond any fender custom shop instrument ive played.
Be patient and im sure youll find something that you like.
Personally i like natural finishes so im always going to find something i like.
The one thing that could be offered is more availability in custom items to buy directly from EBMM. Things like pickups, pickguards, pickup covers, different finished hardware etc. Not sure what BP thinks about this but theres always going to be a market for mods.
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Magic Jason
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BP needs to do what he sees fit for his company... Untill now we could agree that he's done quite well!
steevo
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Hes done incredible. Obviously everyone is going to have suggestions and opinions, thats what this forum fun.
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Magic Jason
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Indeed
Was walking into the Sam Ash store in NYC I saw a blue Pacific burst with a maple neck. I have always had a rosewood neck but this thing just sung out. about 5 days later thinking about it I called and got a great price shipped. Now the proud owner of a Stingray HH in Blue Pacific burst. This will go well with my cream Sterling by MM which is also one of my favorites out of all my basses.
mrpackerguy
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We should all be so lucky, innovative and skillful to have a major hand in creating one iconic American bass guitar that has withstood the test of time as BP has done with the Stingray. Anything after that is icing on the cake.
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scottbass71
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So How much are people prepared to pay for a custom colour?
Reason I ask I remember BP stating I think it was at the forum get together in 2007 ( Geez time flies) that after spraying sparkle colours it costs between $500-$600 to clean the painting equipment to make sure there is not metal flakes in the system.
So would people pay that plus the cost of the paint itself, which nearly half the cost of the bass itself - I don't think so
Reason I ask I remember BP stating I think it was at the forum get together in 2007 ( Geez time flies) that after spraying sparkle colours it costs between $500-$600 to clean the painting equipment to make sure there is not metal flakes in the system.
So would people pay that plus the cost of the paint itself, which nearly half the cost of the bass itself - I don't think so
steevo
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Having checked out alot of different manufacturers websites over the last few days, EBMM still have the most exciting and varied looking line up. With the inclusion of the new basses, they cater for nearly every taste.
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Just by way of example, the cost-of-paint thing ...
Apparently peeps don't get it that not all bidness
follow the same model. Some established brands
definitely will offer a custom color for way under
the several hunnert $$ discussed above. But one
cannot imagine that it involves cleaning and then
refilling a major production line paint system.
It seems clear that MM uses such a system, and
has good reason to do so. A production line will
help reduce the per-item cost while maintaining
a high quality product. The brands that do offer
custom colors at a relatively modest up-charge
are obviously letting all the buyers of their stock
models and colors subsidize the existence of the
custom shop. Evidence is that their stock product
costs way more per item than a similar MM, yet
isn't "bench built by hand" or otherwise so exotic
as to justify stock item prices way above EBMM.
IOW if MM or any similar company [is there one?]
wants to add custom shop special order features
without a huuugely intimidating up-charge, then
customers buying stock models hafta pay much
more for stock models, to subsidize the "prestige"
of the very existence of a custom shop.
I prefer paying only for what I receive in-hand,
and not for "prestigious intangibles". I doubt the
one-at-a-time spray booth in such custom shops
will produce the tough finish you get from a well
run, well maintained production system. Anywho,
paint is just ONE variable. Imagine adding a few
more, or dozens more ....
Try telling Ford or GM you want a unique color, a
faster steering ratio, and an exotic audio system.
Apparently peeps don't get it that not all bidness
follow the same model. Some established brands
definitely will offer a custom color for way under
the several hunnert $$ discussed above. But one
cannot imagine that it involves cleaning and then
refilling a major production line paint system.
It seems clear that MM uses such a system, and
has good reason to do so. A production line will
help reduce the per-item cost while maintaining
a high quality product. The brands that do offer
custom colors at a relatively modest up-charge
are obviously letting all the buyers of their stock
models and colors subsidize the existence of the
custom shop. Evidence is that their stock product
costs way more per item than a similar MM, yet
isn't "bench built by hand" or otherwise so exotic
as to justify stock item prices way above EBMM.
IOW if MM or any similar company [is there one?]
wants to add custom shop special order features
without a huuugely intimidating up-charge, then
customers buying stock models hafta pay much
more for stock models, to subsidize the "prestige"
of the very existence of a custom shop.
I prefer paying only for what I receive in-hand,
and not for "prestigious intangibles". I doubt the
one-at-a-time spray booth in such custom shops
will produce the tough finish you get from a well
run, well maintained production system. Anywho,
paint is just ONE variable. Imagine adding a few
more, or dozens more ....
Try telling Ford or GM you want a unique color, a
faster steering ratio, and an exotic audio system.
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