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Mattii
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I have no regrets chaps, and enjoyed my time here, and have come out more the wiser.
Don't take my comments personally, and enjoy playing your Ernie Ball guitars.
Adios Amigos
Don't take my comments personally, and enjoy playing your Ernie Ball guitars.
Adios Amigos
robelinda2
Well-known member
I'll probably get in trouble for saying this, but i'm embarrased at the comments thrown at Mattii lately, I thought this forum had more class than that. I thought he had some good questions, maybe he didnt go the right way about it all the time, but didnt deserve the childish comments. I know those types of threads arent what everyone likes to read here but I think it could have been handled better. I'm quite ready to be kicked up the ass for this post!
Slingy
Well-known member
I was gonna write that he should of bought it if the place had a good return policy and tried setting it up, but for the most part don't trust used guitars or places that sell them without at least giving them a setup is the least they could do.
No one wants to buy guitars in poor condition, and I think it is more of a reflection on the used guitar market and seller since MM's are pretty much considered awesome by all standards.
No one wants to buy guitars in poor condition, and I think it is more of a reflection on the used guitar market and seller since MM's are pretty much considered awesome by all standards.
mesavox
Well-known member
This got started really because he took BP's comment wrong. BP said "find another company where the owner will answer you." or something to that effect and he took it as though he was telling him to go elsewhere. No matter what anyone said that BP was talking about how it was a statement about how few other companies will give this guy as much attention as he got on a forum, it was taken otherwise by someone looking for a fight.
I agree with Rob that we often tend to jump in and be kinda rude. This does two things. Keeps an argument that would probably die a lot sooner going, and feeds the fire if the original poster is a troll. Not saying this guy is....
Also, from reading BP's posts over the years, I don't get the impression that he wants or needs as much help and defense from we the forum members as we sometimes demonstrate that we assume he does. It seems that he feels that he is quite capable of nipping such problems in the bud all by himself. I know if it were me, I'd be flattered the first few times that I was defended, but after a while would start to feel like... "Oh man, let me say something first please..."
Even with this I feel the need to be very cautious to note that I am not speaking for BP because he may not at all feel that way. It just seems like, in general, we try too hard. Maybe I'm guilty with this very post, but it seemed like it was worth at least discussing and thinking about.
I agree with Rob that we often tend to jump in and be kinda rude. This does two things. Keeps an argument that would probably die a lot sooner going, and feeds the fire if the original poster is a troll. Not saying this guy is....
Also, from reading BP's posts over the years, I don't get the impression that he wants or needs as much help and defense from we the forum members as we sometimes demonstrate that we assume he does. It seems that he feels that he is quite capable of nipping such problems in the bud all by himself. I know if it were me, I'd be flattered the first few times that I was defended, but after a while would start to feel like... "Oh man, let me say something first please..."
Even with this I feel the need to be very cautious to note that I am not speaking for BP because he may not at all feel that way. It just seems like, in general, we try too hard. Maybe I'm guilty with this very post, but it seemed like it was worth at least discussing and thinking about.
colinboy
Well-known member
I dont know what this guys original thread was about and what his problem was with his guitar but it was a bit of a childish thread to start to tell people he was leaving so im not surprised with some of the comments.
jamminjim
Well-known member
I learn something new on this forum everytime I visit -
Sycophant - A servile self-seeker who attempts to win favor by flattering influential people.
Well put sixtyfour.
I also found Mattii's sarcasm to be quite annoying and juvenile. Makes me wonder if he/she/it didn't have a hidden agenda. As we've seen those types pop in here from time to time. This BS bye bye posting is just that. I thought BP was being very helpful and generous to him/her/it.
Sycophant - A servile self-seeker who attempts to win favor by flattering influential people.
Well put sixtyfour.
I also found Mattii's sarcasm to be quite annoying and juvenile. Makes me wonder if he/she/it didn't have a hidden agenda. As we've seen those types pop in here from time to time. This BS bye bye posting is just that. I thought BP was being very helpful and generous to him/her/it.
DrKev
Moderator
+1 Rob et al.
In some small way everything we do here reflects the company we love and support so much. Why? A) Because it is a company owned and moderated forum, and B) because people unknowingly, naturally, and very quickly, make judgements on everything they see, including what EBMM fans are like and whether or not they want to be one too. If diehard knuckleheads can feel a little uncomfortable about things, then how does that translate to others?
If we can't inspire good impressions of EBMM for people, we are not helping.
In some small way everything we do here reflects the company we love and support so much. Why? A) Because it is a company owned and moderated forum, and B) because people unknowingly, naturally, and very quickly, make judgements on everything they see, including what EBMM fans are like and whether or not they want to be one too. If diehard knuckleheads can feel a little uncomfortable about things, then how does that translate to others?
If we can't inspire good impressions of EBMM for people, we are not helping.
Big Poppa
Well-known member
I typed a long response and it vanished.
DR Kev and 64 and Rob and Mesa. Go back and read the original thread. If I didnt explain myself in this printed world Im sorry. This guy didnt have any history and had no idea that I was telling him to not buy a guitar with issues.
Calling someone a sycophant because someone is being a troll is not fair. Its knee jerk pseudo intellectual. I fire back what is the opposite of a sycophant?
If there was no basic tone here it would be like other manufacturers forums for the most part. Dead. Hijacked by a genre or fans of an artist. Flame wars, pervs and customer service. We so rarely have this issue these days. We had to weed out the warriors and trolls.
I asked Mattii stick around and have fun. I said if he was leaving to just leave.
Everybody has their idea of a perfect forum. I do too. Bob Taylor did and left his forum. So did PRS.
Everyday there are at least 50 new threads. SOme great....some sucky. From the critics look at the saddest fact. I posted a prototype thread and just announced it as a proto thread and in 18 hours got 500 views. I edited the title and said nudity and violence and its over 10,000 views.....
I dont like armchair mods. I also never editied or baned Mattii. I just closed the thread when I got tired of the threats and cheap shots.
Im suprised by Rob especially with our history. What does a baiting poster think he is going to get back. WHere were you to smooth it out? How come you didnt come to my or Mattii's rescue in the original post?
Mattii...How about this. I still say stick around. Its mostly a fun place. Buy the guitar and Ill fix it free........
DR Kev and 64 and Rob and Mesa. Go back and read the original thread. If I didnt explain myself in this printed world Im sorry. This guy didnt have any history and had no idea that I was telling him to not buy a guitar with issues.
Calling someone a sycophant because someone is being a troll is not fair. Its knee jerk pseudo intellectual. I fire back what is the opposite of a sycophant?
If there was no basic tone here it would be like other manufacturers forums for the most part. Dead. Hijacked by a genre or fans of an artist. Flame wars, pervs and customer service. We so rarely have this issue these days. We had to weed out the warriors and trolls.
I asked Mattii stick around and have fun. I said if he was leaving to just leave.
Everybody has their idea of a perfect forum. I do too. Bob Taylor did and left his forum. So did PRS.
Everyday there are at least 50 new threads. SOme great....some sucky. From the critics look at the saddest fact. I posted a prototype thread and just announced it as a proto thread and in 18 hours got 500 views. I edited the title and said nudity and violence and its over 10,000 views.....
I dont like armchair mods. I also never editied or baned Mattii. I just closed the thread when I got tired of the threats and cheap shots.
Im suprised by Rob especially with our history. What does a baiting poster think he is going to get back. WHere were you to smooth it out? How come you didnt come to my or Mattii's rescue in the original post?
Mattii...How about this. I still say stick around. Its mostly a fun place. Buy the guitar and Ill fix it free........
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roburado
Well-known member
Poppa is so kind.
whitestrat
Well-known member
The problem is that online, no one can see you smile.
I read that thread. I don't think anyone was being unduly rude to him, much less BP.
Read this:
Was this statement by Mattii justified? Just because BP told him it's pointless to post a problem on a guitar HE DOESN'T OWN? and neck issues with guitars are common. If he's really that experienced, he should know that. I doubt the pleked Suhrs are his first guitars. Unless he's a KID with rich parents?
These neck issues should be easily fixed. What's the point in coming online all the way to this forum JUST to post something like that?
P.S. BP, those pleked things are really cool! Why don't you take a look at it if you haven't alreayd done so! I wish my Silhouettes were pleked!
I read that thread. I don't think anyone was being unduly rude to him, much less BP.
Read this:
Was this statement by Mattii justified? Just because BP told him it's pointless to post a problem on a guitar HE DOESN'T OWN? and neck issues with guitars are common. If he's really that experienced, he should know that. I doubt the pleked Suhrs are his first guitars. Unless he's a KID with rich parents?
These neck issues should be easily fixed. What's the point in coming online all the way to this forum JUST to post something like that?
P.S. BP, those pleked things are really cool! Why don't you take a look at it if you haven't alreayd done so! I wish my Silhouettes were pleked!
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Now that is a class act.
Poppa, you really are a great guy. Rather than just berating someone, you open your arms, state you case and still welcome them to your home.
Good things happen to good people, and with gestures like this, it is understood why Ernie Ball has been blessed and has such loyal fans.
mesavox
Well-known member
I think with all the hubbub of a bunch of posts my point might have been mistaken. My first paragraph was about how he wasn't getting what you were saying, and then I addressed the armchair mod phenomenon. I certainly don't subscribe to the sycophant theory... just the armchair mod one. Most of the time, you seem to not like it when people try to beat the mods to the punch, and it seems to always keep a thread that could have died a long time ago open. In this thread's case, a new type of discussion has taken place that could really end up clearing up a lot of expectations you have. I think that's good.
Granted, my first paragraph was limited. I know that he also couldn't get the point that you were saying to not buy the guitar since it has problems too.... but when he addressed the ridiculous idea that you or CS didn't want to deal with him over it... well, duh... how many other places would the owner even answer his post, let alone give him advice?
I'm just saying, and said, that it seems like most of the time our rush to jump in and defend, feeds the trolls. Like when someone pics on you, the more you react and show that it bothers you, the more that person is going to pick.
Your last paragraph is what I'm talking about. I just think that the guy would have left if the only bites he had were you and CS addressing his "problem." After he saw that you were sticking to your guns, he'd get bored and leave. Maybe not this time, but it's often the case.
The original thread showed how this stuff we are talking about is directly related to the desire for not open CS threads anyway. People are going to want to post and put their two cents in... just like I am here. LOL Sometimes, even when we're right, we really don't need to.
I just wanted to post this because I don't think my point was made as well as I would have liked, and I think you took it a bit as if I was critisizing the way it was handled by you. Instead, I think it showed how this forum is different than others because of our ownership interaction. I think that if you didn't find a need to post the more colorful comments, we should probably assume that we are assuming too much if we go beyond the level of response you do.
Mattii,
If you really like the guitar but are concerned about the neck issues, the offer extended here is truly a problem solver. I have met the person who will be doing the work and I have had a couple of guitars set up by him and the guitars have always come back OMG fantastic. (He is the guy who sets up the guitars for the EBMM artists.)
This forum is a fantastic place and the friends I have made here and the events are life time memories. I know first impressions are important but..... well I hope you get the idea.
If you are in the US and you buy the guitar I will have it shipped overnight to the factory at SLO. Just send me a PM and I can make it happen easy.
DrKev
Moderator
Poppa, nobody is in any way criticising your handling of this or defending Matti.
It does come across that way sometimes.
We, as forumites, need to remember our place in the food chain. The openness, friendship, and inclusive contact that EBMM give us bums is fantastic. That contact is itself a privilege but bestows no other privileges or rights upon us.
Poppa is not the leader of a school yard gang and there is no implied permission, or brownie points to be earned, for us getting involved. He's the principal of the school and nobody else should be kickin' anyone else's pants.
It does come across that way sometimes.
We, as forumites, need to remember our place in the food chain. The openness, friendship, and inclusive contact that EBMM give us bums is fantastic. That contact is itself a privilege but bestows no other privileges or rights upon us.
Poppa is not the leader of a school yard gang and there is no implied permission, or brownie points to be earned, for us getting involved. He's the principal of the school and nobody else should be kickin' anyone else's pants.
lumberjack
Well-known member
For those interested, here's the original thread
http://www.ernieball.com/forums/music-man-guitars/35011-musicman-axis-help-fret-buzz-how-eliminate.html
http://www.ernieball.com/forums/music-man-guitars/35011-musicman-axis-help-fret-buzz-how-eliminate.html
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Big Poppa
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lumber thanks but I closed for a reason........
