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once again till you redifine how the guitar is played ala evh you are just another player. jimi and clapton and evh are one in a million. flash dosent impress me.

True. Although I must confess: I never "got" Clapton. I just don't see what the hype is all about. That's just me. I'm perfectly aware of how many people admire him.
 

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im the same way with clapton. good guitarist but i dont think he brings anything special to the table. hes good, but i think he lacks a little creativity in his playing.
but he does have one tough beard!:D
 

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I felt the same about Clapton when i was younger till i saw the 1990 Knebworth all star concert thingy. Twas the concert that got me into Pink Floyd. CLapton tore the place up! Real eye opner for me. But I still agree to a point. I think some of his later stuff sort of goes through the motions. But that's just my opinion. I do love his feel.
 

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well maybe the current clapton is questionable, but what isnt there to 'get' about the era he's most famous for? ( ie late 60's to mid 70's ) brilliant player, amazing phrasing, especially on the Cream albums, and even on the 24 nights live cd/dvd. these days he seems to be petering out, but there can be no doubt he was one hell of a blues player, a class above the blues guys of that time. he's no bedroom shredder, and thank goodness for that.
 

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every musicians has something to offers, please don't judge them with any 'standarization'...i don't care how much 'SLOW' or 'FAST' they can play.. and I don't care on how they can change the way of people playing...man ..I just want to enjoy their music..and if it feels good to me then i will say 'it works for me' but if it's not , maybe it's not the right style for me..

it's very important to ask yourself some questions ... can I play like that? can I play slow enough ? or can i play that fast? or can I play a music so people can smile everytime they hear your playing?.. and so on.

just remember there's no genuine players in this world.. just learn and take as much as you can and be happy with it :)

peace bros.
 

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well maybe the current clapton is questionable, but what isnt there to 'get' about the era he's most famous for? ( ie late 60's to mid 70's ) brilliant player, amazing phrasing, especially on the Cream albums, and even on the 24 nights live cd/dvd.

I hear you robe, but that's just it. I've heard a fair share of that stuff and it just leaves me, well, it just leaves me. I am aware of his "impact" on other players, I just don't see why.
 

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it's very important to ask yourself some questions ... can I play like that? can I play slow enough ? or can i play that fast? or can I play a music so people can smile everytime they hear your playing?.. and so on.

Well, I'm not sure why this is important. I mean, what does being able to play like a guitar-giant have to do with their impact? I'm probably just misunderstanding you. I mean, usually, the answer will be: "No, I can't play like Clapton, Hendrix, etc.".

I'm just saying Clapton's playing, to this point, hasn't impressed me. It's just an opinion.

Peace!

Dave
 

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When rock players brought classical music onto the scene, it marked the end of the Clapton/Page/Hendrix/Santana era. They’re two entirely different schools.

Frankly, music that is played almost exclusively to other musicians nearly always loses me. Chops and respect for chops, sure, but at the end of this century ‘sunshine of your love’ will still be remembered and played (unlike today’s modern day guitar heroes) - not because Clapton was a better guitar player, but because his music simply is memorable to the soul. It sticks to the bones and doesn’t shred away.

I saw a clip here of Luke playing with Clapton and Santana. I felt embarrassed for the latter two. It was like watching Segovia jam with Muddy Waters. Does that mean Muddy Waters wasn’t a gifted musician, even as gifted as Segovia? How can you even begin to compare them?
 

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I've pretty much changed the way people play the guitar.

They hear me and then go and practice.

They usually say something like 'I need to make sure I never play like he does'
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I've pretty much changed the way people play the guitar.

They hear me and then go and practice.

They usually say something like 'I need to make sure I never play like he does'
:D

People hear me, they bow down and yell "I am not worthy!" Then they crack up laughing and go home. :confused:

Hey, maybe we should hold a "you suck, go home, loser" contest! I'll open with Neil's Down By the River solo. :p
 

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When rock players brought classical music onto the scene, it marked the end of the Clapton/Page/Hendrix/Santana era. They’re two entirely different schools.

Frankly, music that is played almost exclusively to other musicians nearly always loses me. Chops and respect for chops, sure, but at the end of this century ‘sunshine of your love’ will still be remembered and played (unlike today’s modern day guitar heroes) - not because Clapton was a better guitar player, but because his music simply is memorable to the soul. It sticks to the bones and doesn’t shred away.

I saw a clip here of Luke playing with Clapton and Santana. I felt embarrassed for the latter two. It was like watching Segovia jam with Muddy Waters. Does that mean Muddy Waters wasn’t a gifted musician, even as gifted as Segovia? How can you even begin to compare them?

I understand your point but when people mention Clapton, they do so in the vein of a player, not a songwriter. People who were influenced by him tend to say they were influenced by his playing and not that he wrote Pop music. EVH says he loved Clapton so much that he learned every Clapton lick he could. So in that regard, I don't understand Clapton's popularity. He's not technically gifted and I don't see what he changed. I just chalk it up to the fact that when he did whatever it is he did, it was unusual for the time. If he came out today, he might not get any more recognition as a guitar player, than say, John Mayer.
 

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I understand your point but when people mention Clapton, they do so in the vein of a player, not a songwriter. People who were influenced by him tend to say they were influenced by his playing and not that he wrote Pop music. EVH says he loved Clapton so much that he learned every Clapton lick he could. So in that regard, I don't understand Clapton's popularity. He's not technically gifted and I don't see what he changed. I just chalk it up to the fact that when he did whatever it is he did, it was unusual for the time. If he came out today, he might not get any more recognition as a guitar player, than say, John Mayer.

Yes, I think that's accurate to say. But I'm wondering if perhaps you weren't around when Clapton "introduced" blues rock to world? Not saying you weren't but it seems that if you were, then you should clearly understand the impact Clapton made upon electric guitar playing, even as we know it today.

Sound reproduction has come a long way since Thomas Edison, but he still invented the phonograph, and will be remembered long after Boston Acoustics is forgotten.
 

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Well, back in the day Clapton's playing was very techincal compared to other players. And he became a hero to many. (I first got him when I was listening to early Yardbirds.)

Yes, it doesn't translate to the world of today's shredders. But he's not trying to be that guy any more. He's long since put his mark on the world and influenced generations of players.

As for the EVH comment ... can anyone point to Eddie's playing in recent years and show a recent example of how great he is? :rolleyes:
 

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I think the Clapton thing goes in a similar vein to David Gilmour. Neither of them profess to be the greatest guitar players in the world, or even to be technically gifted.

One of their strengths lies with the way that they phrase what they play and their ability to sound like themselves, no matter what they play through.

Only my £0.02 though.:)
 

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Yes, I think that's accurate to say. But I'm wondering if perhaps you weren't around when Clapton "introduced" blues rock to world? Not saying you weren't but it seems that if you were, then you should clearly understand the impact Clapton made upon electric guitar playing, even as we know it today.

Sound reproduction has come a long way since Thomas Edison, but he still invented the phonograph, and will be remembered long after Boston Acoustics is forgotten.

You're right. He was a bit before my time. I'm 40 and didn't really get into Hard Rock until the very late '70s. My first shot in the jaw was Van Halen in 1978. So as I said before, I'm aware that he had an impact. For the very reason you mentioned, it's lost on me. For some reason though, Hendrix does speak to me though. I always loved his playing. I still remember the first time I heard Machine Gun. Right about this time of year, 1979.

Dave
 

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Dave,

With Clapton, it's the phrasing, man.

Check out his "From the Cradle" disc. He just covers a bunch of blues standards, but he does so brilliantly. Take a track like "Motherless Child" (not to be confused with "Motherless Children" which Clapton also recorded).. this track is as barebones as it gets, yet Clapton delivers it with poise and grace.
 
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