That is a great idea but I wouldn't want something on the guitar that showed that info but maybe on a pedal board or something.
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That is a great idea but I wouldn't want something on the guitar that showed that info but maybe on a pedal board or something.
Purple ASS
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Well if nothing else they are all talking about it over there ! that must be a good thing
Sosomething
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People are going bitch and moan and try with everything they've got to find something wrong with anything new.
BP, Music Man, et al should remember that all this negative blathering on the gear page is so much less about the actual gamechanger and so much more about people needing to follow predictable societal patterns.
Think about the reception Leo got when he first released the solidbody electric. People called it "the plank" and not in a good way... but it was embraced by professional musicians, and ultimately the community of naysaying nobodies forgot all about their negative impressions and just worshipped their idols playing the things per usual.
BP, Music Man, et al should remember that all this negative blathering on the gear page is so much less about the actual gamechanger and so much more about people needing to follow predictable societal patterns.
Think about the reception Leo got when he first released the solidbody electric. People called it "the plank" and not in a good way... but it was embraced by professional musicians, and ultimately the community of naysaying nobodies forgot all about their negative impressions and just worshipped their idols playing the things per usual.
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I wouldn't freak out about what a couple of forums are posting given zero hands on experience.
Guitarists seem to be made up of groups of people that are the most unwilling to change and accept technology as a good thing. I know that for me I still don't like the idea of using active pickups in a guitar so I'm a bit of a luddite if you will.
The problem here (and I fully expect it to be a temporary one) is that people see a circuit board in a guitar and a USB port, hear about all these sounds and just assume that it's yet another Variax or other modelling type of device. From what I understand that's completely off the mark here.
I work broadcast television and radio and the over the last few years equipment has been replaced with routers (video/audio, not network). I wasn't happy about it and I didn't grasp how a router could be used in place or to augment a switcher effectively without causing other issues. My concerns were justified in my mind, but I'll readily admit that they were wrong. It's not that I'm stupid; it's just that I didn't understand the implementation becasue quite simply I hadn't used them in that manner yet. There was a lightbulb moment (actually a few of them) so I understand the apprehension out there.
But from what I understand this system, in a nut shell allows you to program which pickup configurations are mapped to which switch position using a mini-router. The configurations are created using a PC application and the available settings are a ridiculous combination of coil taps, polarities and positions. The actual signal is still analog, but the switching is controlled by the circuit. The switch merely tells the control circuit which routing map to recall based on the stored position.
If that's the case it's absolutely brilliant.
If that's not the case than that's what I want to invent and sell.
I will be severely dissappointed if this is not the absolute biggest story coming out of NAMM this year. I posted on another forum that I think that this is potentially the single biggest innovation in guitar pickups since the noiseless single coil sized pickup and it could easily surpass that. It may not be the single most innovative idea because people have been modifying guitars with switches and using custom pickups for years, but it's easily the best thought out and innovative application of that idea I've ever seen.
I absolutely want one. I've been GAS free for a while now and nothing in the last 20 years coming out of the guitar factories has made me this excited. Other gear is something different, but in terms of just a guitar nothing over that period has had this kind of practical innovation.
Guitarists seem to be made up of groups of people that are the most unwilling to change and accept technology as a good thing. I know that for me I still don't like the idea of using active pickups in a guitar so I'm a bit of a luddite if you will.
The problem here (and I fully expect it to be a temporary one) is that people see a circuit board in a guitar and a USB port, hear about all these sounds and just assume that it's yet another Variax or other modelling type of device. From what I understand that's completely off the mark here.
I work broadcast television and radio and the over the last few years equipment has been replaced with routers (video/audio, not network). I wasn't happy about it and I didn't grasp how a router could be used in place or to augment a switcher effectively without causing other issues. My concerns were justified in my mind, but I'll readily admit that they were wrong. It's not that I'm stupid; it's just that I didn't understand the implementation becasue quite simply I hadn't used them in that manner yet. There was a lightbulb moment (actually a few of them) so I understand the apprehension out there.
But from what I understand this system, in a nut shell allows you to program which pickup configurations are mapped to which switch position using a mini-router. The configurations are created using a PC application and the available settings are a ridiculous combination of coil taps, polarities and positions. The actual signal is still analog, but the switching is controlled by the circuit. The switch merely tells the control circuit which routing map to recall based on the stored position.
If that's the case it's absolutely brilliant.
If that's not the case than that's what I want to invent and sell.
I will be severely dissappointed if this is not the absolute biggest story coming out of NAMM this year. I posted on another forum that I think that this is potentially the single biggest innovation in guitar pickups since the noiseless single coil sized pickup and it could easily surpass that. It may not be the single most innovative idea because people have been modifying guitars with switches and using custom pickups for years, but it's easily the best thought out and innovative application of that idea I've ever seen.
I absolutely want one. I've been GAS free for a while now and nothing in the last 20 years coming out of the guitar factories has made me this excited. Other gear is something different, but in terms of just a guitar nothing over that period has had this kind of practical innovation.
Mpcoluv
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What I fail to see, is how can people really complain?
Play it like it is out of the box and leave it alone then....
It doesn't seem to trade any thing for the switching functions.
It is one of the few advances that does not seem to have a downside.
What happens if the battery dies?
Does it just play the last preset that it had?
Play it like it is out of the box and leave it alone then....
It doesn't seem to trade any thing for the switching functions.
It is one of the few advances that does not seem to have a downside.
What happens if the battery dies?
Does it just play the last preset that it had?
dwells
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want one for the studio would be so much fun and a creative tool like no other!!! good work BP and guys
morsecode
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eh? it's a few outspoken people over there that had some run ins in the past either on this forum or with the company at some level (e.g. Jet City guitars who tried building and marketing guitars with 4X2 headstock years back)...these people have a personal beef and they can't let it go. They are hardly the majority.
walleye
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im raeding the gear page thread about it now. god i hate the internet
robelinda2
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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ouavt9Y3mng&feature=player_embedded]YouTube - NAMM 2011 - Ernie Ball[/ame]
whitestrat
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hmm... When's the last time EBMM did something that caused this much of a stir on so many forums?
mesavox
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From the perspective of a HUGE Brian May fan, I LOVE this.
I don't know that I would really utilize it live all that much because I tend to not switch very much in a live setting even when I have more switching choices, but for studio work, and songwriting, this is beyond cool. Plus, I can see that it would create enough of a unique sound that you might end up using, that it would force you to use it live. I still don't know that it would for me since, even when we cover Queen songs, I don't switch to emulate his various pickup settings (and I'm pretty anal about knowing when he's switching things lol,) but I EAGERLY await the day this is available on a BFR JP.
Where I see it being particularly useful for me live is the ability to put a couple piezo combinations in the 5 way and switch to say piezo and middle position inner coils with one switch change.
The single best thing about the guitar is that guitar players will be able to grow with their guitar for years and years. I'm primarily a rock player, but Ive even recently been asked to consider being in a country band on the side to make a buck or two on weekends Bipolar Echo isn't working. All the sudden being able to grow with a guitar is in plain sight for those who may never expect to be asked to do something in the future they wouldn't be able to do now.
The only way I can really see needing more than one guitar any more is wood choices, and things like Jazz boxes etc. I might still want the game changer in a JP and in something with a swamp ash body, or in a big ol jazz box guitar. That would indeed be cool.
I would like to see an offline version of the software too for those situations where there may not be internet access. However, if I have read everything correctly, you can step through all choices on the guitar with just the toggle???
I don't know that I would really utilize it live all that much because I tend to not switch very much in a live setting even when I have more switching choices, but for studio work, and songwriting, this is beyond cool. Plus, I can see that it would create enough of a unique sound that you might end up using, that it would force you to use it live. I still don't know that it would for me since, even when we cover Queen songs, I don't switch to emulate his various pickup settings (and I'm pretty anal about knowing when he's switching things lol,) but I EAGERLY await the day this is available on a BFR JP.
Where I see it being particularly useful for me live is the ability to put a couple piezo combinations in the 5 way and switch to say piezo and middle position inner coils with one switch change.
The single best thing about the guitar is that guitar players will be able to grow with their guitar for years and years. I'm primarily a rock player, but Ive even recently been asked to consider being in a country band on the side to make a buck or two on weekends Bipolar Echo isn't working. All the sudden being able to grow with a guitar is in plain sight for those who may never expect to be asked to do something in the future they wouldn't be able to do now.
The only way I can really see needing more than one guitar any more is wood choices, and things like Jazz boxes etc. I might still want the game changer in a JP and in something with a swamp ash body, or in a big ol jazz box guitar. That would indeed be cool.
I would like to see an offline version of the software too for those situations where there may not be internet access. However, if I have read everything correctly, you can step through all choices on the guitar with just the toggle???
walleye
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i hope im not getting too ahead of myself and i understand this will be some time down the track if at all, but im interested in how a gamechanger would work on a luke.
im told its not possible to put 2 or more active p/us in series because of the preamp or something, i dont understand how it works but thats what im told.
so really you only have combinations of parallel settings. if the hum can be split i count 14 combos not including different phases that they were talking about in the videos
im still not sure what phases mean in terms of pickups, can someone briefly explain taht for me? and can you have different phase combos with active pickups?
im told its not possible to put 2 or more active p/us in series because of the preamp or something, i dont understand how it works but thats what im told.
so really you only have combinations of parallel settings. if the hum can be split i count 14 combos not including different phases that they were talking about in the videos
im still not sure what phases mean in terms of pickups, can someone briefly explain taht for me? and can you have different phase combos with active pickups?
mesavox
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The first simple answer is... it's not available on the Luke right now, and I think if it ever is, and it is not possible to have two active pickups in series, they'll probably put passive pickups in a Luke to get what is needed should they decide to offer it commercially in a Luke. However, the game changer itself is a robust piece of wiring manipulation... I don't see why it would be impossible for them to design a preamp to work with the GC for active guitars. Engineering is engineering... I don't see them sitting still.
Phase is what happens when two identical signals try to compete for the same physical space. Two people singing the same note... phase cancellation exists if they are in tune. Thats why things blend to sound like one. Picture a sound wave.. it's a wave. If the crest of the wave is flipped 180 degrees... it can be put in or out of phase with the other wave that is present from the other pickup or voice. The timbres might be different, but they are still generated from the same string vibration... so in or out of phase can make it sound thinner or fuller depending on how you started. Hi end mixing consoles have phase switches on a channel strip for when mics are set up in a room and phase cancellation occurs. Flip the switch and waveform is electronically flipped upside down and the cancellation is removed and thus the deadspot filled in.
lumberjack
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Hadn't seen this yet. Thanks for posting, Rob.
Big Poppa
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OK I really don tgive a rats ass if people who are stupid enough to get banned here or think that they are entitled to use our intellectual property don tliek something they have never seen touched or played.
Let me explain it this way....ALL OF THESE TONES ARE IN YOUR GUITAR. zAll we are doing is letting you hear them and if you like them use them. You get to tell the switch how you want your guitar to sound...and also let you use other tones in seconds.
To bash this is just funny...you may not need it...but if you spend a few moments with it you may want it.
Let me explain it this way....ALL OF THESE TONES ARE IN YOUR GUITAR. zAll we are doing is letting you hear them and if you like them use them. You get to tell the switch how you want your guitar to sound...and also let you use other tones in seconds.
To bash this is just funny...you may not need it...but if you spend a few moments with it you may want it.
Mike Y
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I was at the NAMM booth today.
Admittedly upon first hearing about it, I didn't think I would want/need one........
Now I think otherwise. The anecdote I have been using is that it is like the power seat in your car. It has the ability to do many combinations, and it takes that ability to find the ones that suit you.
This thing is cool.
While setting it up on the guitar may get some practice to get good at, the great thing is the software is visual and intuitive which can help get you up and running too....
I am going back tomorrow and see if I can play with it some more........
Sosomething
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