A Metal EBMM Guitar Should be MADE??

[dwells]

we are the dreamers...

 

[kneeoh]

... and it's always good to dream.

 

[bkrumme]

So, Crimson, are you saying you think EBMM should be a copycat and make a guitar based on what's already been done by another company? You show a photoshopped picture of a Jackson with an EBMM neck on it (thanks mesavox). It just doesn't seem like the EBMM way of doing things.

I like the Kelly design, but if you want a Kelly, go buy a Kelly. That body style has been done over and over. No need to repeat it again. That seems like a step backwards. Plus, a Kelly without a pointy headstock? That just doesn't look right.

Were EBMM to make a guitar geared toward metal players, I'd like to see the full power of the R&D team go into it. Get Drew, Dudley, BP and crew all involved in the development of a "SUPER-METAL" EBMM guitar. I think they could bring us something totally awesome that would blow the competition out of the water.

As far as whether EBMM *should* produce something like this, I'm riding the fence. On one hand, I think the JP is more than metal enough for anyone's needs. I play them for some pretty heavy music and have no trouble getting all the maxed out gain I can. They don't particularly *LOOK* metal, but I like them and don't feel the need for something more.

On the other hand, I'd love to see what EBMM could do with the concept of an over-the-top guitar made specifically for metal. I wouldn't want them to start with an existing design. I'd want them to make something totally new, spend the time in R&D to make the perfect *EBMM* guitar for metal. And I won't lie...I'd probably buy one.

 

[bkrumme]

I don't mean to offend anybody with this question but I'd like to know...

If some other company already makes a guitar close to the ones in the photoshopped pics, why not just buy that particular guitar? Is it because it's not an EBMM and you don't want to play anything else? While that to me, is admirable, I'm just not sure EBMM want, or need, to cover ground that is already been done well... and I think Jackson makes fine guitars.

BP, himself, has said variety is good and there are many guitar companies that do great work doing things the EBMM doesn't do... acoustic guitars for example or set neck guitars as another. People have been asking when EBMM will make these since Moses was floating down the river in a basket, but invariably BP and company have maintained focus on doing what they do, and doing it very well. While they do experiment while lots of different things (the neck-thru JP and neck-thru 2H Al thing come to mind), the bolt-on solid body electric is what they do best. Their designs are instantly recognizable as something different than the rest, not mere knock-offs of other companies' ideas. (see http://www.ernieball.com/forums/music-man-guitars/41297-john-petrucci-knock-offs.html )

I only play EBMM because they offer what I want in a guitar. If there was something that I should want that they don't make, say a hollow body, it wouldn't be a big deal me to buy a Gretsch, a Gibby, or a PRS because they are all quality guitars.

I replied before I saw this post. That's kinda the idea I was going for.

 

[Trev]

Oh, thanks! That image has resulted in extreme chunk blowing!

 

[tommydude]

Remember that Pepto commercial......."I can't believe I ate the whole thing?". After reading this post over the past few days, I kinda feel the same way ! JK- if anyone was offended.

Back in my high school days (eons ago), one of the bands I used to listen to was Anthrax and people thought I was strange, I know where the metal heads are coming from.

Kneeoh summed it up (quoted 2 Posts ago).... The other part, as said many, many times, is the PLAYER.

 

[Crimson Sunrise]

Crimson sunrise this is so fricken cool hahah i love it u coud even have a rounder back of the body as well and reverse the head stock..
id buy one
this is so close to what my original thought was so mesavoc and crimson sunrise u guys rock
and it s OK to Dream!!!!! hehehe
awesome this has made me smile

Right on, Dwells!

I knew where you were coming from when you started this thread, brother. Who knows? Maybe EBMM will put some thought into it?

 

[Big Poppa]

I reall apppreciate you time and thought..I just dont repackage someones stuff....if there is a major metal player that comes along and thinks we can collaborate to create the tool he needs then we are there....

I really think that crimson you fired a shot and jumped on a bandwagon....I think you have been treated well....Dont you?

I would hope that people accentuate the powsitive

One key factor is understanding the limited hooks on the walls of guitar center and the other retail outlets...there are people who do metal really well and have support and loyalty from he dealers I would have ha hard time getting a hook for a jackson re package.

 

[Crimson Sunrise]

I reall apppreciate you time and thought..I just dont repackage someones stuff....if there is a major metal player that comes along and thinks we can collaborate to create the tool he needs then we are there....

With all due respect, I was not referring to "repackaging someones stuff".

Nowadays, just about EVERYTHING has been done with guitar bodies. That is why most designers that come up with new guitar bodies, are forced to base their designs off of other bodies. Naturally, the Jackson you spoke of, is really off of a Gibson Explorer (the 1st I believe?).

That's why I mentioned just basing the design off of it "loosely" to begin with. I'd be fine as punch if it came off not even looking like it after it was all said and done. In other words, ...just a starting point, a platform to go off of. I challenge anyone today to design a guitar body that someone won't say, "that looks like so-and-so guitar". It's no secret. It's almost like music. "That part right there sounds like..." Why hell yeah, it's been done in some form or fashion.

Anyways, I appreciate you reading my thoughts anyway. And, I do understand where you are coming from, with the standpoint of competition in that field of music as it is. Anyways, thanks for listening.

 

[brokenvail]

I think BP is right on. I have a problem seeing EBMM on the wall at stores. I was once a jackson man I have owened a USA select Kelly and I still own a almost 20 RRV with EMG (which I have been trying to sell forever) that has bene to war and back and I preffer EB. The kelly looks cool but is uncomfortable to play both standing and sitting. The V I love but I don't play metal like that any more and the size of that case is a killer. EB stared making functional tool for gig musicians. They will never be able to get a case for one of those crazy bodies to fit in an over head compartment. Like I said I love the look but their not functional.

Why do I say this in the same breath as agreeing with BP? Because I don't even see USA Jackson, BCRich's or real ESPs(not those LTD models) on the hooks at most stores. I never have; even when all I played was jacksons and had 4. So If the orignal makers of these models can't get them on the hooks how could EB do it by doing a rip off version of what they do? Also what street cred would EB get with Metal kids? They are not sitting there going the day that EB makes a metal guitar I am in. I wouldn't say that EB shouldn't make one but I do think it would have to be more like what BP said, having an artist in that scene wanting to get to gether to creat the right tools for that style

 

[Crimson Sunrise]

Here is another way you go....

Forget the Gibson Explorer platform. Take the EBMM 25th anniversary with it's nice big size (non-chambered) and base it off of that...making it appear a bit more aggressive. That's all I really would want anyways = a bigger body (of some sort) than usual, made with all mahogany.

 

[bkrumme]

Crimson: Why base it on anything at all? You can't be creative when all you do is rob from one project to fuel another.

 

[Crimson Sunrise]

Crimson: Why base it on anything at all? You can't be creative when all you do is rob from one project to fund another.

You are so naive aren't you? That is why I didn't bother responding to your last comment. People like yourself, are beyond reasoning. Everything is "based" on something nowadays. There has been a long history of designing guitar bodies in the last century and up until now. It's been done and done again, son. You are not going to reinvent the wheel, no matter how hard you try. The 25th anniversary itself is based off of an AXIS!?! Very naive......

 

[bkrumme]

You are so naive aren't you? That is why I didn't bother responding to your last comment. People like yourself, are beyond reasoning. Everything is "based" on something nowadays. There has been a long history of designing guitar bodies in the last century and up until now. It's been done and done again, son. You are not going to reinvent the wheel, no matter how hard you try. The 25th anniversary itself is based off of an AXIS!?! Very naive......

I was asking a question. I honestly want to know what your opinion is. You may think I'm naive if you like. But before you disregard my question, try to see it from my point of view. I'm just trying to consider any and all possibilities. I don't think there's a reason to purposely insult me.

 

[Lukesilo]

I agree that there should be a totally new design. I wouldnt want something that looks like a rounded Kelly. I dont own a Kelly now because I dont like them and an EBMM headstock isnt going to get me to like them. No offense but that body is hideous in my OPINION. I love the idea of having it as a signature model for a metal guitarist becuase then the guitarist and EBMM can colaborate and make something new and unique.

 

[bkrumme]

Should the guitar be based on a previous design? Maybe, maybe not. That's the point I was getting at. Why would we limit something that doesn't exist to something which is already out there?

Crimson said using a 25th body without the chambering. That's basically an Axis with a little bigger body. Make it out of Mahogany? Yeah, that would be cool! So, why not just make a mahogany Axis with a slightly bigger body? It could still be an axis.

So, we're right back at square one again...it's a current EBMM model with a couple options...not exactly "made for metal" in my opinion.

 

[mesavox]

I don't see how that is, being that a 22-fretter would have the same 25.5" scale length as a 24-fretter?

Not the feel.. the tone. The neck pickup in particular is muddier (not necessarily a bad thing).

Oh, and keep in mind the reason for posting that particular reply was a bit silly, so I wasn't exactly being all that serious. lol I don't understand the whole metal guitar thing either.... I think the real issue, is Dean wanting a guitar that fits the kind of metal he plays. In that respect, it may or may not fit my idea of what a metal guitar is. I think to him, Kirk Hammet's signature model is in line with what he's thinking (EMGs and shred appointments).

BP echoed what I said earlier, and it's still the only way I can imagine it... I don't see how he'd ever get a market base for such a guitar... so it would have to less the idea of a radical looking metal guitar, and more just figuring out what appointments make a metal guitar.. which to me is, buy a Silo or JP and put whatever pickups you need to make it sound heavier, cuz a set neck aint happenin... it would cost a fortune and they'd never sell enough to justify that cost. In the upper end range guitars, Gibson and PRS OWN the set neck market.

 

[dwells]

omgoodness:0
the jp is based of a silhouette , the silo based of a strat the strat based on a womans body?? etc etc who cares
i still think there is room for a more metal sounding and looking guitar..........end of story!

 

[Crimson Sunrise]

omgoodness:0
the jp is based of a silhouette , the silo based of a strat the strat based on a womans body?? etc etc who cares
i still think there is room for a more metal sounding and looking guitar..........end of story!

hear, hear!

 

[Big Poppa]

actually the silhouette is based on a sting ray bass buy shrunk to 90 percent with bevels

the strat is offset