Another CLIP: My Second "DAMAGE CONTROL" Attempt.

[beej]

Flipping it doesn't affect the wiring- you can wire it up the same way.

 

[LasagneFTW]

Flipping it doesn't affect the wiring- you can wire it up the same way.

wouldent that make it out of phase with the neck pickup? and isnt that the basis out an out-of-phase PU switch, where it reverses the + and ground leads of a pickup?

 

[Random Hero]

heh, no worries Lasagne. When I wired mine first off, I swapped the hot/ground leads around. I was getting some weird noises that way, so I called up DiMarzio, who told me to swap them back and wire it exactly the same as the Steve's Special, regardless of where the blade is facing. He said John (Petrucci) wires his backwards, but then said "his is different, you can't buy it like that". So i'm assuming it is wired differently inside?

 

[brentrocks]

Very Cool!!!

 

[beej]

wouldent that make it out of phase with the neck pickup? and isnt that the basis out an out-of-phase PU switch, where it reverses the + and ground leads of a pickup?

The phase isn't affected by the rotation of the pickup. The windings are still in the same direction around the magnet and the magnet's poles are the same, so when you pluck the string you're still going to generate the same signal out of the pickup. So you can rotate it to your heart's delight.

If you wire it up oppositely (ground and hot leads), reverse wind the pickup, change the magnetic field, etc. then you can generate a signal that would be out of phase with the original pickup's signal.

Go nuts and wire 'er up!

 

[LasagneFTW]

The phase isn't affected by the rotation of the pickup. The windings are still in the same direction around the magnet and the magnet's poles are the same, so when you pluck the string you're still going to generate the same signal out of the pickup. So you can rotate it to your heart's delight.

If you wire it up oppositely (ground and hot leads), reverse wind the pickup, change the magnetic field, etc. then you can generate a signal that would be out of phase with the original pickup's signal.

Go nuts and wire 'er up!

wow thanks for the info beej, that helped alot.

probably gonna put it in this weekend, wish me luck guys haha.

 

[Random Hero]

wow thanks for the info beej, that helped alot.

probably gonna put it in this weekend, wish me luck guys haha.

haha, cool man.

Let me know how you like it.

 

[Philip]

heh, no worries Lasagne. When I wired mine first off, I swapped the hot/ground leads around. I was getting some weird noises that way, so I called up DiMarzio, who told me to swap them back and wire it exactly the same as the Steve's Special, regardless of where the blade is facing. He said John (Petrucci) wires his backwards, but then said "his is different, you can't buy it like that". So i'm assuming it is wired differently inside?

so Random Hero,

if you wire the d-sonic exactly like the steve's special and turn the pickup with the blade facing neck, would you have for split position the inner coils (inner coil from air norton and the blade from d-sonic) ?? how does it sound in the middle position, the same??

thanks,

Philip

 

[Random Hero]

so Random Hero,

if you wire the d-sonic exactly like the steve's special and turn the pickup with the blade facing neck, would you have for split position the inner coils (inner coil from air norton and the blade from d-sonic) ?? how does it sound in the middle position, the same??

thanks,

Philip

I believe you use the coil from the D-Sonic, as opposed to the blade. I think the wiring is flipped inside JP's to use the blade. It sounds pretty similar yes, the signal is a little hotter with it.

 

[LasagneFTW]

I believe you use the coil from the D-Sonic, as opposed to the blade. I think the wiring is flipped inside JP's to use the blade. It sounds pretty similar yes, the signal is a little hotter with it.

oh really? hmm...i wonder if there's a way around that, wiring-wise. i mean, it's 4-conductor cable...should be possible.

EDIT:

Beej, think this would work? i would be trying to get the inner single coil (which would be the blade, on the D-Sonic) to be the one selected with the middle spot on the JP's toggle, when the D-Sonic is put in upside down...but im afraid of that out-of-phase stuff.

just to clarify the picture below: i didn't just swap the ground/hot leads, i flipped all the wires according to how they should be if you rotated it 180 degrees.

the dimarzio site also leads me to belive that it's possible, because in the 4Conductor wiring diagram, concerning the use of both a coil-split & phase switch:

"An interesting feature of this arrangement is that the phase switch has two functions. When two pickups are on together, it performs it's normal task. When the pickup shown above is on alone and the single-coil switch is turned on, the position of the phase switch determines which of the two coils is turned off, giving a subtle variation in tone."

except the part in bold confuses me...does that mean if they're both on, its gonna flip the phase also? that wouldn't be good...

hmm, maybe JP's D-Sonic really are modded to be wired differently. i don't really see how they could be, it's just 4 wires coming off of the same coils.

 

[LasagneFTW]

so, ignore that big post up there.

just put the D-sonic in earlier today...so far, im liking it alot, just by itself. havent gotten a chance to really try it out though.

random hero, you said the middle toggle selection is louder for you? i wired it wiretowire the same as the Steve's Special, and comparing it with my brother's stock JP, the middle toggle selection seems MUCH quieter.

maybe it's out of phase?

 

[Random Hero]

Yeh, mine seems louder. It's a definate stratty tone, but it seems louder.

How do you find the D-Sonic in general? I much prefer it to the SS, especially with my Rectifier. The extra mids really help, IMO.

 

[LasagneFTW]

im definately liking it so far; i havent been able to test it on a real amp yet, im just using my microcube at the moment. i plan to run to some guitar stores and try out a few real amps with the JP+DS...got my eye on a Rivera K-Tre.

i dont use the middle toggle position much at all, so it doesnt really bother me...but mines considerably lower in volume. i guess i can use that to my advantage though...hmm. honestly, im thinking about wiring that 4pdt switch up as a normal 3-way toggle...bridge/bridge+neck/neck. who knows, we'll see.

 

[Random Hero]

im definately liking it so far; i havent been able to test it on a real amp yet, im just using my microcube at the moment. i plan to run to some guitar stores and try out a few real amps with the JP+DS...got my eye on a Rivera K-Tre.

i dont use the middle toggle position much at all, so it doesnt really bother me...but mines considerably lower in volume. i guess i can use that to my advantage though...hmm. honestly, im thinking about wiring that 4pdt switch up as a normal 3-way toggle...bridge/bridge+neck/neck. who knows, we'll see.

Cool man. From a cosmetic standpoint, I prefer the D-Sonic too.

 

[LasagneFTW]

Cool man. From a cosmetic standpoint, I prefer the D-Sonic too.

im half an half with the looks. i like the look of the solid blade for sure. for some reason, it doesnt look quite as black as the air norton, and the polepieces dont look identical. but thats me being nit-picky haha.

 

[Matsvansanten]

Wow man great playing! I'm really looking for that backing track you're using. Do you still have it or does anyone else have it? Thanks!

Mats

 

[JSX]

Great Playing and awesome tone!!!!!