dfrady
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No, it was Jon.todd4ta said:
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dfrady
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jongitarz said:
That would be pretty cool !!
koogie2k
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Geez....haven't we been through this before?!?!!?
EBMM is not a CUSTOM SHOP. What does that mean really? They do not make Axis with Korina, Purple Heart or any other really exotic wood. Why? Because the materials they use is not only cost effective, but has some of the best tone and sustain out there. Price an axe with "your" custom specs and see if it can be done at 1/5 the price....nope. I know.
However, EBMM has and will always maintain "Custom Shop" like build qualities. All of their axes are built upon receipt of an order. How do I know? I guess I was at the Open House and saw for myself. Think of it this way....the artist models are done to the artists specs. Not one is different except maybe in color. I mean, come on, if John Petrucci wants an axe in neon green, it will be made for him. Why? He's John Petrucci. Back on topic, we (the customers) have a gazillion different options and that is enough. I can sit here all day pondering them and still not come up with what I want to order. I do it all the time!
Basswood. Why is it used? Because it's cheap? NO! It is because the artists request it! Get over the exotic wood stuff peeps. If JP wants basswood, then that should tell you something! ALL the guitars are made to the artists specs. They want to be able to grab one off the shelf and play it with no tweaks and that is how you get it. If you want to sound good.....practice. It does wonders.
Custom shop in the sense of the word is not what EBMM is all about. Custom Shop quality in ALL their instruments is what EBMM is all about.
EBMM is not a CUSTOM SHOP. What does that mean really? They do not make Axis with Korina, Purple Heart or any other really exotic wood. Why? Because the materials they use is not only cost effective, but has some of the best tone and sustain out there. Price an axe with "your" custom specs and see if it can be done at 1/5 the price....nope. I know.
However, EBMM has and will always maintain "Custom Shop" like build qualities. All of their axes are built upon receipt of an order. How do I know? I guess I was at the Open House and saw for myself. Think of it this way....the artist models are done to the artists specs. Not one is different except maybe in color. I mean, come on, if John Petrucci wants an axe in neon green, it will be made for him. Why? He's John Petrucci. Back on topic, we (the customers) have a gazillion different options and that is enough. I can sit here all day pondering them and still not come up with what I want to order. I do it all the time!
Basswood. Why is it used? Because it's cheap? NO! It is because the artists request it! Get over the exotic wood stuff peeps. If JP wants basswood, then that should tell you something! ALL the guitars are made to the artists specs. They want to be able to grab one off the shelf and play it with no tweaks and that is how you get it. If you want to sound good.....practice. It does wonders.
Custom shop in the sense of the word is not what EBMM is all about. Custom Shop quality in ALL their instruments is what EBMM is all about.
nobozos
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Hey Koogie, Welcome to the dysfunction.
Yeah, you said what I probably should have said originally.
I don't know why the great guitars that EBMM makes just can't be accepted on their on merit with the options already available. I guess it's just human nature to always want more than what you can get.
When I play my Axis, I'm blown away by the tone, the build quality, and the playablility. I don't sit around and think, "If it were only made of Mahogany it would sound great". That would imply that I'm not happy with the tone of the instrument as it is, and if I were unhappy, I would probably go buy a guitar made of Mahogany.
I guess my point was that EBMM does give you more options on what you can order on your guitar than other companies do on their standard models. The Morse comes standard with a fixed bridge, but you can still get it with a Floyd.
On various models, you can get peizo bridges, rosewood or maple boards, matching headstocks, and your choice of pickup configuration. Tell your local F****r dealer that you want a U.S. Standard strat with a peizo trem with a maple board and matching headstock in an HSH configuration with a black pearloid pickguard and vintage sunburst finish and see if they can fill that order for you without referring you to their $3000 custom shop guitars.
Yeah, you said what I probably should have said originally.
I don't know why the great guitars that EBMM makes just can't be accepted on their on merit with the options already available. I guess it's just human nature to always want more than what you can get.
When I play my Axis, I'm blown away by the tone, the build quality, and the playablility. I don't sit around and think, "If it were only made of Mahogany it would sound great". That would imply that I'm not happy with the tone of the instrument as it is, and if I were unhappy, I would probably go buy a guitar made of Mahogany.
I guess my point was that EBMM does give you more options on what you can order on your guitar than other companies do on their standard models. The Morse comes standard with a fixed bridge, but you can still get it with a Floyd.
On various models, you can get peizo bridges, rosewood or maple boards, matching headstocks, and your choice of pickup configuration. Tell your local F****r dealer that you want a U.S. Standard strat with a peizo trem with a maple board and matching headstock in an HSH configuration with a black pearloid pickguard and vintage sunburst finish and see if they can fill that order for you without referring you to their $3000 custom shop guitars.
Spudmurphy
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+1nobozos said:
jeffrey
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PeteDuBaldo said:
Ahahahhaa, man that's priceless.
koogie2k
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nobozos said:
Yeah I know. I agree with what you have said. Peeps want a custom guitar for that "it was built only for me" thing....which is not a bad thing. I know a custom builder who is strictly top of the line, orders go almost 2 years on build time....but it's gonna cost ya!
Simply put, EBMM are the best production line out there. Who are we to argue with Steve Morse, John Petrucci, Luke, Albert Lee, Vinnie Moore, and Dave LaRue? These are the guitar/bass playing GODS! Their axe is our axe.....who else does that consistantly with the build quality as superb as EBMMs? NO ONE.
So, you want Custom....PM me and I'll send you to a place.
You want Custom Shop Quality without paying Custom Shop $$$, one choice, EBMM.
It's almost too simple.....
Big Poppa
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over 60,000 choices and its not enough for you...Im sorry. If you prefer a warmouth copy fine just dont post it here....If you have a manufacturing background and can tell me how to make an unlimited amount of options I have a job for you!withmyshadow said:
I'm slow
now seriously, like I said if their shop is small and flexible and they indeed build the guitar after the order is placed then that there's no point in separating body options and pickup options, imho.
anyway, I can settle and I could always go with something like this
withmyshadow
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wow, sorry. you guys really take an internet bbs seriously.Big Poppa said:
first time in a guitar board owned by the manufacture
well, I was suggesting one option that is applying existing 2 routings to existing 2 body woods. you took it as "an unlimited amount of options".
that's how children argue.
PeteDuBaldo
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withmyshadow said:wow, sorry. you guys really take an internet bbs seriously.
first time in a guitar board owned by the manufacture
well, I was suggesting one option that is applying existing 2 routings to existing 2 body woods. you took it as "an unlimited amount of options".
that's how children argue.
It's the internet. You can't always tell someones "tone" of voice from reading words.
In Sterling's defense, I viewed your reply as less than complimentary to EB, and I can see exactly why Sterling said what he did. New members are welcome and encouraged here (welcome aboard, btw), but when the first topics and replies are on shaky & controversial topics, everyone gets a bit defensive or agitated from the get-go.
Just sit back, relax, and enjoy the ride
Dude it's a different feel around here. There are tons of benefits to having EBMM own and run this Forum. For instance, even though 99% of us won't be attending NAMM, they (EBMM) has in the past posted as much as it can on it's goings on there.
I think that BP makes a good point, you can't satify every one. But 60,000 choices is a hell of a lot of them.
True, but EBMM is a company and those options that you are suggesting might not be a smart business move. To rehash from the past, sparkle finishes are hot with a huge majority of the forumites. Though when they were being made they didn't sell so well. EBMM drops the sparkle finishes and there is a million people asking why they don't make them anymore.
Or a while back BP was considering making a forum members only guitar!! Sounds awesome huh, so why didn't it happen. Well everybody couldn't agree and it always happens everybodies on board, but when it comes time to pony up the cash a huge percentage are broke.
Look BP is just saying that you can't please everybody, but with some many choice options they sure can please a ton of people.
If you don't own on, get one, you'll love it. Stick around there are a lot of good people here and tons of excellent information.
Later, Glenn |B)
I think that BP makes a good point, you can't satify every one. But 60,000 choices is a hell of a lot of them.
True, but EBMM is a company and those options that you are suggesting might not be a smart business move. To rehash from the past, sparkle finishes are hot with a huge majority of the forumites. Though when they were being made they didn't sell so well. EBMM drops the sparkle finishes and there is a million people asking why they don't make them anymore.
Or a while back BP was considering making a forum members only guitar!! Sounds awesome huh, so why didn't it happen. Well everybody couldn't agree and it always happens everybodies on board, but when it comes time to pony up the cash a huge percentage are broke.
Look BP is just saying that you can't please everybody, but with some many choice options they sure can please a ton of people.
If you don't own on, get one, you'll love it. Stick around there are a lot of good people here and tons of excellent information.
Later, Glenn |B)
Big Poppa
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ok with my shadow here is the dealwithmyshadow said:wow, sorry. you guys really take an internet bbs seriously.
first time in a guitar board owned by the manufacture
well, I was suggesting one option that is applying existing 2 routings to existing 2 body woods. you took it as "an unlimited amount of options".
that's how children argue.
Yes this is a forum owned and manned (sorry beth)by the kids here that run the doohickey. You can post a frowny face or criticize or you can maybe learn a little of the insides of the guitar business.
Let me help you with a only two changes.....
lets start with a ash body and a maple top. two changes right....no biggie?
what about the fretboard maple or rosewood.........oh wait thats four models.... no problem we can handle it.
**** the guy with the silhouette wants one two....ok that is easy. wait there is the special and the regular.......great which pickup options....2h, 3s. one h two s wait a minute maple or rosewood..never mind what about piezo... Yeah thats great now I want one of each color 18 different free factory colors,,,,,,, what about the bridge? **** thats two more , no biggie
Im not done but right here and right now we hav
bovinehost
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People, people, let's FOCUS.
There are also COFFEE CUPS.
As has been said before, if you want a true "custom shop" instrument, then there are people who will gladly take your money. Quite a bit of it, frankly.
If what you want is THE best production instrument on the planet - with some 60K options available - then why spend the extra money?
Ernie Ball makes the best production instruments on earth.
What else do you want?
Jack
Musicman Nut
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derk said:
They don't need a custom shop, Their Stuff is beyond that, Try one you'll swear it was made just for you. DJ
Eilif
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I swear, my Axis SS was made just for me. Why, the plate at the back even says "CUSTOM MADE".
Musicman Nut said:
beej
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+1Big Poppa said:
withmyshadow, you're pretty lucky to be on a board (the only one I know of BTW) where the owner and operators of the company (oh and endorsed artists) participate on a regular basis - this place is an INVALUABLE source of information.
It sounds easy to say "why not add another wood combination ... it's easy to do ...". The problem isn't whether or not it's possible to build; Big Poppa is able to offer these custom designs / prototypes to his endorsed artists. (You should see some of the stuff that floats around from time to time!)
It's a business problem in trying to offer an unlimited combination of features (as if 60,000 wasn't enough) and manage the production line. Something has to give.
I'm sure if you could prove that some new feature would be the best selling item in the EBMM catalog (rather than a few odd sales) EBMM would be able to offer it.
As Poppa says, sit back and enjoy the ride.
koogie2k
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Go back to post #24....
Tell you what I want.
Blue Dawn, piezo trem 24 fret Silhouette natty headstock abalone pickguard, with matching knobs naturally. Then I want to put EMG's in it myself. That would be so cool cause it would be the only one like it in the world.
Oh wait a minute....
I already got one of those.
Now I remember....
I want an anniversary model to commemorate the 20 year of production of the silhouette. Since I can't make up my mind on exactly how I want it I hope Sterling will say:
The Customer (NorM) is WRONG!
WE will design the guitar he wants!
mine, mine, mine, mine
Oh wait another minute....
Crud that's happening too.
I'll tell you what I want in a guitar:
To love my guitar so much that when I go to the music store I won't find anything I even want!
wait wait wait wait....
Darn that one is covered too.
oh oh oh I know....
I want kbaim to have a guitar the he loves to play....
uh..........
nevermind
I'll go see if there is another thread somewhere where I can add value.
Blue Dawn, piezo trem 24 fret Silhouette natty headstock abalone pickguard, with matching knobs naturally. Then I want to put EMG's in it myself. That would be so cool cause it would be the only one like it in the world.
Oh wait a minute....
I already got one of those.
Now I remember....
I want an anniversary model to commemorate the 20 year of production of the silhouette. Since I can't make up my mind on exactly how I want it I hope Sterling will say:
The Customer (NorM) is WRONG!
WE will design the guitar he wants!
mine, mine, mine, mine
Oh wait another minute....
Crud that's happening too.
I'll tell you what I want in a guitar:
To love my guitar so much that when I go to the music store I won't find anything I even want!
wait wait wait wait....
Darn that one is covered too.
oh oh oh I know....
I want kbaim to have a guitar the he loves to play....
uh..........
nevermind
I'll go see if there is another thread somewhere where I can add value.
