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Ernie Ball Music Man JP6 Restoration Project!

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Morbid said:
No fear emate, won't leave till this is done. I'm more eager than any of you could possibly imagine!! I want my guitar!!

Kal, haven't decided on a sealer. Not sure I'll need it. I'm assuming you mean a substitute for the nitrocelly? In which case, most of it still remains on the body...I've only sanded through on a few parts. That's part of my problem though...there's no one here that specializes in guitar paint jobs. My best bet at this point, assuming the contact doesn't work out, is an Autobody shop. At least with that I can rest at ease knowing that the autobody paint is sturdy stuff.
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Dude. There must be a local motorbike can sprayer about? i got artwork sprayed on a guitar a few years ago and the guy that did it specialises in painting motorbike helmets, cans etc. he did a fabulous job. Try hunting one out in your area.
 
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Morbid said:
Thanks for the tips and advice Kal, though I must admit, I'm not looking forward to the idea of sanding past the remaining nitrocelly. I've sanded for hours at a time, throughout the entire flat surface (pick a side, lol)only to get past a small spot. We'll see what the paint guys have to say though. I don't want to move any further until I have their backing also.

As far as sealing for the guitar, I thought you meant a sealing for the body, not the paint. In which case, I'm not settled on anything...the glossier the better! If I could seal it in glass I'd probably try, lol.
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lmao. Sanding won't do anything to it. I have called several highly 'classified' places to ask for a chemical that simply and plainly removes the finish off the body and they told me that I need a level 3 hazmat license and that this type of poly finish is used on the boats!!!!!! What the hell? Either way. Heat gun and a chizel and a lot of patience would remove it and then you could use the beautiful Florida sun (except when is super humid) to cure the wood even better. The high gloss would be a polyer of some kind and a master buffer. Keep us updated and thank you for taking some of my experience in consideration.
 
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FWIW I used a chemical paint stripper on a sunburst N4 to get it to Nuno specs a few years back, it did a great job and took no time at all ;-)
 
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spkirby said:
FWIW I used a chemical paint stripper on a sunburst N4 to get it to Nuno specs a few years back, it did a great job and took no time at all ;-)
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Good for you although I was talking about stripping the poly finish that the body is sealed in :cool:
 
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This JP6 has been for sale for at least 8 mos now (since I am local and I've seen it left and right). This is how you destroy an extremely well built, exceptionally designed instrument. In my opinion I'd rather call BP and ask for it rather than 'tung-oil' it???!!! Oh well. .. .. Intellectual meanderings - never ending sufferings.
 
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Alright, I've actually got a few minutes to post a REAL reply. Been a rough and busy week!
So here we go...

e.mate said:
Follow the story you must.... May the Morbid be with you :D
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The Morbid is strong with this one...


I must admit, I agree with most of you, I think the natural JP on the bay is horribly depressing to look at. The original hardware would definitely be an improvement, as the knobs and colored pickups just make me want to light it on fire, lol.

But onward to news about MY guitar.
The last person I spoke to about painting the guitar was my luthier, who said he didn't feel he was capable of accomplishing what I wanted. However, he has sent my pictures and information to a friend of his, who painting, is all he does. I have received an email from him and he is very confident that he can duplicate my design. I've sent him a couple more detailed pictures of the paint scheme to make absolute sure that he can do what I want. If he says he can, I'll hopefully be paying him a visit within the next week or so to show him the body. From there I'll decide whether or not I really need to go through another 2 weeks worth of hell to remove the nitrocelly or not, depending on what he says.

Needless to say, I'm excited!
 
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Morbid said:
Alright, I've actually got a few minutes to post a REAL reply. Been a rough and busy week!
So here we go...


The Morbid is strong with this one...


I must admit, I agree with most of you, I think the natural JP on the bay is horribly depressing to look at. The original hardware would definitely be an improvement, as the knobs and colored pickups just make me want to light it on fire, lol.

But onward to news about MY guitar.
The last person I spoke to about painting the guitar was my luthier, who said he didn't feel he was capable of accomplishing what I wanted. However, he has sent my pictures and information to a friend of his, who painting, is all he does. I have received an email from him and he is very confident that he can duplicate my design. I've sent him a couple more detailed pictures of the paint scheme to make absolute sure that he can do what I want. If he says he can, I'll hopefully be paying him a visit within the next week or so to show him the body. From there I'll decide whether or not I really need to go through another 2 weeks worth of hell to remove the nitrocelly or not, depending on what he says.

Needless to say, I'm excited!
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First, Great, there's a progress. I bet he'll say 'remove it all the way to bare wood'!
 
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Good to hear that someone saw THESE pics and said, he could do it.

As I don't know anything about all that paintingnitrocellyripoff stuff that you guys are talking about, I will not make any comments about it. What I do actually think is a good idea, is to meet this painting guy in person. So far, I understood that you, the mighty Morbid, are absolute meticulous (does anybody still use this word? ;-) about this project, which I like very much. This guitar deserves it :)
 
Morbid

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So I met up with the potential painter today, Dan. I can first start by saying, this is DEFINITELY the guy to finish my project. Dan definitely knows his stuff and is dedicated to getting my project done in a timely manner the right way.

To prove his ability, he brought me a rough draft of what I want on the guitar, and I must say I'm rather pleased and very excited. I took the rough draft home to mow over in my mind, to give me a couple of days to decide exactly what I want, now that I have a tangible piece to stare at.

Here it is;

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He sliced it into 2 forms, one either without, or with very little of the pearl sparkle and one with 2 layers of it. With the way the light reflects, I believe I'm going to go without the sparkle. It's just too much for me. Although, outside on cloudy days like today, it's barely noticeable, as so;

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Fact of the matter is, I'll rarely be playing guitar outside on cloudy days.
However, I rather like the 'grain' of the paint without the sparkle. Here are a few closeups.

Without/Very Little
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This one's obvious...
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I told Dan that I would like a slightly lighter gray color, so things standout a little more. My truck was parked near by, so I used it as a reference and held the paper up to it. It's ever so slightly lighter, but enough to make the difference I believe. He said we could use the actual code from my truck which is K11. Here is an outside picture of the paper on the hood of the (dirty)truck to give you guys the reference as well.

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As always, looking forward to your input and inspiring words. :cool:
 
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