Frustrated with setup on JP6

[whitestrat]

white strat you deleted the pic but then continued to promote.

Just for the record they have been selling strings for less than a year and I will challenge you to back up your claims of decreased tension at pitch...it is marketing you are eating. I have a little experience here......

Dear BP, no offense meant. I'll go delete the post.

On the topic of string tension, of course I'd defer to your opinion, considering it is your main core business, and I'm very sure you know a great deal more about strings than I do.

But if it's simply marketing, then why does it actually feel softer to my fingers? I used EB strings religiously in most of the past 19 years of my playing. Mostly nines. Super Slinkys first, then after a while, always Hybrid Slinkys. (Love this set!) I liked the feel of those. But after I started playin traditional trem guitars, I felt I needed to up a gauge to beef up the tone a bit. So I used Regular Slinkys. That's when I realised that they were a bit tight on my fingers. I proceeded to go on a string hunt. Especially when the stock bullet 10s that came with the guitar always felt easier to bend than the EB strings, but had horrible tone.

I know nickel is nickel, and there shouldn't be a difference especially within the same gauge, but my finger knuckles are definately hurting less when playing on the same guitar.

So why would there be this difference?

P.S. I just realised the post had already been deleted.

 

[Big Poppa]

AN onion tastes like an apple if you close your eyes and plug your nose.....who knows?

THe problem with the string business is it isnt my job to burst bubbles...If you like Dunlops play away....just dont promote them here.....

The plain strings should not feel any different....an .010 is and .010 there is no mystique or magic or voodoo....if someone tells you that it is DooDoo.... The plain strings are how well you qc the wire for tensile strength, plating and how well you put the ball on.

Most string companies use the same "formula" (core to wrap size) that my dad came up with in the sixties.....

does that help? If you think there is a difference in the plain strings as far as feel then I cant argue with you other than to say the truth is there is no difference

 

[whitestrat]

The plain strings should not feel any different....an .010 is and .010 there is no mystique or magic or voodoo....if someone tells you that it is DooDoo.... The plain strings are how well you qc the wire for tensile strength, plating and how well you put the ball on.

Most string companies use the same "formula" (core to wrap size) that my dad came up with in the sixties.....

does that help? If you think there is a difference in the plain strings as far as feel then I cant argue with you other than to say the truth is there is no difference

Hmm... I think I got it. Thanks for the insight BP. Totally understood about the promotion bit too.

I think the issue for me isn't so much the wound strings, though a numb person could definately feel that EB Slinkys feel smoother and "glossier" to play. The rest would be a preference issue. No, the main issue for me is always the plain strings. Then again, maybe it's actually the treatment for EB strings that makes them smoother (is there such a treatment?) makes it harder to grip to execute a bend, but makes the string more durable more resistant to corrosion?

 

[Big Poppa]

WOW Whtie strat
Please re read my post.......I just told you the truth and you still think there is a difference so I will bull**** you and maybe that will work

After an extensive re ionization period of total isolation and relative calm we transfer all of our plainstrings to the harmonic balancer where we play them stairway to heaven and purple haze for 27 hours in a 97% sound proof patchooli scented aroma therapy/hot stone treatment then we transfer to the hydrating sistern where any residual molacules are dipped in a special teflon hypo allergenic creme rinse. From then we let the strings be free in the desert air where they hang from special "hanging free" racks and they sway to the wind with Kansas music playing off in the distance.

We would "fusion match" but Curt Mangan beat us to it.

 

[dmullen]

LMAO! sorry...but that was funny.

 

[Beth]

WOW Whtie strat
Please re read my post.......I just told you the truth and you still think there is a difference so I will bull**** you and maybe that will work

After an extensive re ionization period of total isolation and relative calm we transfer all of our plainstrings to the harmonic balancer where we play them stairway to heaven and purple haze for 27 hours in a 97% sound proof patchooli scented aroma therapy/hot stone treatment then we transfer to the hydrating sistern where any residual molacules are dipped in a special teflon hypo allergenic creme rinse. From then we let the strings be free in the desert air where they hang from special "hanging free" racks and they sway to the wind with Kansas music playing off in the distance.

We would "fusion match" but Curt Mangan beat us to it.

We also make pancakes and maple syrup for all the Earthwood strings. Don't believe me? Smell the envelopes!

Ahhh, the mysterious "fusion matched" process. How DOES he do it?

 

[GoKart_MoZart]

...where we play them stairway to heaven and purple haze for 27 hours in a 97% sound proof patchooli scented aroma therapy...

Sounds a lot like my dorm room from the '70's.

 

[Adwex]

maybe you need to take out a spring and use 2 springs instead of 3, that will loosen it up a bit more

Not if he stays in standard tuning. With the same strings, in order for the pitch to stay the same, the tension MUST be the same. Removing a spring, then tuning back up to pitch will not reduce the tension in the strings.

I can explain the physics behind this if anyone is interested, it ain't rocket science, and it can't be argued.

 

[fogman]

WOW Whtie strat
Please re read my post.......I just told you the truth and you still think there is a difference so I will bull**** you and maybe that will work

After an extensive re ionization period of total isolation and relative calm we transfer all of our plainstrings to the harmonic balancer where we play them stairway to heaven and purple haze for 27 hours in a 97% sound proof patchooli scented aroma therapy/hot stone treatment then we transfer to the hydrating sistern where any residual molacules are dipped in a special teflon hypo allergenic creme rinse. From then we let the strings be free in the desert air where they hang from special "hanging free" racks and they sway to the wind with Kansas music playing off in the distance.

We would "fusion match" but Curt Mangan beat us to it.

That's the best explanation yet!

 

[Big Poppa]

adwex if I cant explain that plain wire is wire then good luck with physics.

middle east peace must be easier

 

[candid_x]

Can I order them in sandalwood in place of patchouli? It makes them groovier.

 

[jazzbo jim]

WOW Whtie strat
Please re read my post.......I just told you the truth and you still think there is a difference so I will bull**** you and maybe that will work

After an extensive re ionization period of total isolation and relative calm we transfer all of our plainstrings to the harmonic balancer where we play them stairway to heaven and purple haze for 27 hours in a 97% sound proof patchooli scented aroma therapy/hot stone treatment then we transfer to the hydrating sistern where any residual molacules are dipped in a special teflon hypo allergenic creme rinse. From then we let the strings be free in the desert air where they hang from special "hanging free" racks and they sway to the wind with Kansas music playing off in the distance.

We would "fusion match" but Curt Mangan beat us to it.

WHAT!!??? No cryogenic freezing?
Damn! Back to "Brand X" for me

 

[mbgreene]

Such high tech

I always thought they were hand wound on the exposed thighs of exotic Island women.

Oh well - there goes my mental image of the string factory tour

 

[Big Poppa]

Bill Read my post I was referring to plain strings

 

[candid_x]

I'd be interested in hearing a bit more about the whole process from some EB staff though
Bill

Well, since BP owns the company, I guess your wish has been fulfilled , though I doubt he'll give out any trade secrets on the www.

 

[uvacom]

BP - You mention plating as part of the plain string process. Have you ever found that the plating material changes the tone? I've used Pyramid strings before which use silver plated plain strings. Can't say for certain I noticed a tone or playability difference in the plain strings (although the overall sound w/ wound strings was MUCH different from slinkies, but maybe fairly close to the pure nickels), but there was definitely a longevity difference. There was an even bigger price difference though, so I went back to slinkies.

 

[Colin]

After an extensive re ionization period of total isolation and relative calm we transfer all of our plainstrings to the harmonic balancer where we play them stairway to heaven and purple haze for 27 hours in a 97% sound proof patchooli scented aroma therapy/hot stone treatment then we transfer to the hydrating sistern where any residual molacules are dipped in a special teflon hypo allergenic creme rinse. From then we let the strings be free in the desert air where they hang from special "hanging free" racks and they sway to the wind with Kansas music playing off in the distance.

We would "fusion match" but Curt Mangan beat us to it.

That is the post of the century....

 

[Big Poppa]

thanks col I chuckled myself at that one

 

[pjc812]

Can you measure string height on your 12th fret and on your 24th fret for me? I think its down at the lower frets that are the issue....

Sorry just saw this post. I've been off a couple days.

I don't know what the measurements are on my guitars. I've got a depth guage somewhere at home but Lord (and possibly whichever cat absconded with it) knows where it is. I just tweak them until they feel good and have relatively low frett buzz (I play hard and will make any guitar buzz). The neck is straight as a rod. My 7 string has a little relief to compensate for the low A string (makes more sense to me in that tuning).

That being said, tension will be a little higher towards the nutt than in the middle of the neck. Just a physics thing. That's why I prefer a 7 string I think, you can pretty much stay in one place and still get the lower octaves.

 

[pjc812]

We would "fusion match" but Curt Mangan beat us to it.

*snicker* I have yet to figure that guy out. He tried selling me stuff a couple years ago. I'll just leave it at that...

Also, that cryogenic nonsense... what's up with that?