ScoobySteve
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I'd return itI really don't like Line 6 products
This. Aside from modeling amps/pedals/cabs on a computer. Line6 does zero for me in the real gig department.
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This. Aside from modeling amps/pedals/cabs on a computer. Line6 does zero for me in the real gig department.
adam-antium
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so for a live gig you would go for the nova over the m13? this is my main concern, as long as i can easily change my settings for different songs id be happy. this was the appeal with the m13 the scenes, you can change your settings for lets say your metal band and your rock covers band. does the nova give you easy options like this?
im sorry for all the questions guys, just sick of loosing money on eqipment want to make sure im getting the best for my money.
Guys, have either of you actually tried the M13 or M9? They are totally different beasts, and you really can't compare them to the POD stuff. They use the Line 6 4 button stompbox algorithms, not the POD models - and to me they sound MUCH better. They also seem to be doing quite well in the way of reviews for effect quality. If you have tried them, then I'll back off. If not, I don't consider it valid to pan them because of experiences with the POD line...
Mike
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ScoobySteve
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I can see you're getting quite defensive regarding the issue and I'd like to address two points to prevent this from becoming an altercation.
1. I represented the perspective as my own opinion. This may seem a bit contrary considering that everything we say here is an opinion, but rather I expressed the function of the M13 (no experience with the 9) and how its uses worked for me. I didn't express my opinion in how it should be viewed by others.
2. I have experience with it. Mind you, not extensive, but decent none the less. After playing through it I immediately asked the sales rep if the delay was accommodated from the DL4 line, well the representative didn't know, so I asked him to find out, and to a rather uncompromising mild shock, it turned out that it was.
Now, don't get me wrong. It's not a bad unit. As a matter of fact I feel Line 6 is a powerfully strong company for the beginning, intermediate, and Intermediate-advance level tone chasers because of the no nonsense directness and extremely simple interface, but it really doesn't do it for me.
But you're right, placing the units side by side with their POD modeling based products is unfair and I'll admit that. I'm the first to recommend a Line 6 Spider Valve amp for the beginning.
But my feelings regarding the unit remains the same. It has great options and immense variety, but no matter where I set it, I feel like I'm still getting the same packaged modeled sounds Line 6 is known for. Does many things pretty well, but nothing that will keep you coming back to the tones you crave. It's almost like never ending GAS.
The same could be said for the Nova System, but TC Electronics has innovated their own distinct tones and the Nova System (and other systems) represent those tones. These tones to me, are simply superior. This is an opinion of course, but there are (naturally) tones which we gravitate towards. If its Line 6 for you, kudos. Just different strokes for me.
Maybe I'm stuck in the old 2290, or the Chorus but to me they are THE tones and I'll stick my bias for their products out their first. A guy is looking for advice, so I'm gonna stick my hand in the air and say Nova System, but if he plays the M13, likes it better, then its all power to the player to play what he likes.
But I'm Nova System, TC +1
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ScoobySteve
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To address this flat out let me just put it out there so there's no confusion.
If there's anything Line 6 is notoriously popular for, is simple and direct user interfaces.
If there's anything TC is known for, is notoriously challenging interfaces coupled with a learning curve.
The M13 will be the easier product to use, especially changing settings/presets on the fly.
The tones on the other hand.... It's up to you. It's a game of balancing tone/practicality.
threeminutesboy
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Hehe - no worries Steve. I wasn't getting defensive at all (even though my last post may have sounded that way.) I just want to make sure that the OP has all the info he needs to make an informed decision. I also didn't want him to walk away thinking 'Line 6 effects stink' - when in fact they may work great for him. Regardless of the overwhelming feeling here that TC makes better sounding effects, the OP needs to pick the unit that best suits his needs.
Mike
Mike
i shot the OP an email with pics of how im using the Nova and explained some of the personal likes dislikes of the nova and how i overcame those dislikes... sometimes its just a matter of thinking outside the box. i think Adam (the OP) has a better understanding of how the Nova can be used... but as everyone has said its really about what works best for you and your situation and what you're willing to learn or not learn to make it work.
tommyindelaware
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the next batch of tc pedals are gonna be so simple clyde could use them....
right turn clyde.......
right turn clyde.......
Ah....but simple doesn't necessarily mean better. It could mean less flexible. Care to dish more?
Again, you guys have ME thinking about a Nova now...should I wait?Mike
ScoobySteve
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For floor based solutions can't go wrong with the G System. (Totally different beast and price range) But its rare to have a floor FX solution that works in tandem and is friendly with other stomp boxes.
A great unit! TOMMY TELL US MOAR!!!!
A great unit! TOMMY TELL US MOAR!!!!
tommyindelaware
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not if you want a floor multi effects unit. down the road they will prob be coming out w/ killer individual pedals.from what i can see..... the multi effect units are pretty much in place,but the red g system is done. it's the same as the reg. g system w/o the artist pre-sets.the regular g system is in place.
the nova system is very cool too !!!
these things look bullet proof too. i feel the company is alot like ebmm in that they REALLY wanna produce the best sounding and most reliable stuff they can, and it shows. they have a facebook site so mabey this thread has eaten up enough of poppa's bandwidth ??
the nova system is very cool too !!!
these things look bullet proof too. i feel the company is alot like ebmm in that they REALLY wanna produce the best sounding and most reliable stuff they can, and it shows. they have a facebook site so mabey this thread has eaten up enough of poppa's bandwidth ??
Ah....but simple doesn't necessarily mean better. It could mean less flexible. Care to dish more?
Mike
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colinboy
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Your spot on Tommy,if you guys want to find out more about TC products or Line 6 then visit their user forums.the TC one is very good as i joined up recently to find out bout the G system.
Tommy how did you get on at live in the Marquee in Cork,Ireland last week.i missed da gig unfortunately as i was in spain on holiday.was hoping to meet up with you and buy you a pint of guinness!
Tommy how did you get on at live in the Marquee in Cork,Ireland last week.i missed da gig unfortunately as i was in spain on holiday.was hoping to meet up with you and buy you a pint of guinness!
On a slightly different perspective......I gig at least twice a week and I've got my basic system down to an old Boss GT5 into a 4x12 simulator...straight into the desk - it's sounds ridiculous, but I now have the best damn sound I ever had - imagine Van Halen 1, with JP's lead sound..... (I've had GT8's / GT10's / Mesa V-Twins / POD Pros...none come close to this knackered piece of crap!).
I was considering a Nova system or the new Digitech RP1000 - Has anyone tried the Nova direct into a PA - Any good? What are the drives like?
Cheers folks - Sorry to hijack! ;o)
I was considering a Nova system or the new Digitech RP1000 - Has anyone tried the Nova direct into a PA - Any good? What are the drives like?
Cheers folks - Sorry to hijack! ;o)
The Nova is IMO the best of the Multi-Effects pedals out there (save for its Big Brother G) if you do not need all of the amp modeling. For me, I tried numerous ones and found that I used 2, maybe 3 amp models and based my tones off of that. The quality of the effects in the Nova just sound better than then other units I tried.
I currently have my Nova setup with an Expression pedal and my primary patch I've been using live has the amount of gain controlled via the Expression pedal.
I currently have my Nova setup with an Expression pedal and my primary patch I've been using live has the amount of gain controlled via the Expression pedal.
tommyindelaware
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Not that this thread was originally about or for me, but you guys convinced me. I just ordered a Nova to try.
Tommy, funny you should mention the bandwidth question. I've thought about it myself. In fact, I've already been reading the Line 6 and TC forums. However, just like the EB forum, the guys at each are biased towards their respective manufacturer. Given that I have met and trust many of you, I value your input more than theirs. In addition, the group here will also have more experience with what works well with our EBMMs. I'm actually grateful that BP has allowed us to indulge ourselves in this discussion! I hope the OP got something out of it, because I sure did...
Mike
