LTD collectibility?

[Aussie Mark]

The alleged wide range of EBMM basses does not create a problem IMHO. It's all about which decision making process you elect to use. Some people are good decision makers, some are procrastinators, some are fickle, some are gear whores. Each of them will use a different process in their head to decide which bass to buy. Some people will make that decision in a matter of seconds by themselves, others might take a few weeks and seek the opinions of others while they research the options. It's all good.

 

[tkarter]

And some of us are from Kansas.

tk

 

[bovinehost]

Gil, I sincerely hope you change your mind about leaving us.

We need you. Seriously. We have an awful lot of members from the US and England and Australia, and I value - more than you might imagine - the input from people from other countries.

We need you more than you need us, so hang out if you can.

Jack

 

[Big Poppa]

GIL I want you to stick around but be a little more sensitive with your posting and less sensitive to the reactions to your posts.

 

[Colin]

OK guys, I'm getting the vibes. I quit.
Have fun now

Teongil, please stick around. Your posts are very enjoyable and spark great responses.

 

[teonigil]

GIL I want you to stick around but be a little more sensitive with your posting and less sensitive to the reactions to your posts.

Hey BP
(imagine me saying the following in the most calm and positive way, I'm not sensitive or angry, Okay?)
The reason I (and most of us) got here at the first place is obviously the fact that we cherish MM basses. I've been playing those for 20 years and god knows how many bass players switched to MM with my help. I love those basses deeply and I'm not posting here in order to praise and lick someone's a*s like many others do. I believe a forum should be informative and deal with any concerns we might raise and that includes negative aspects as well. You above all should be more interested in those kind of posts and be open minded when it comes to real issues. You'll be getting the boring praises all day long anyway, so why not positively listen to the other kind too?!?
This has nothing to do with being sensitive because I'm getting the "heat" every time I try to point at something that is off of the mainstream line of "MM is perfect".
+ I don't recall being insensitive. I always try to bring things up with a twist of humor and try to speak to the point, sometimes the point is missed when others get into the well known defensive mode.
The last couple of days I spent some time in the forum after a long break, and I have to say that it's not my cup of tea any longer. It's getting harder to develop a real professional conversation about issues. On the other hand, there's a lot of selling and advertising sh*t going on by a few members who are always the first to fire back when I try to post an issue. Interesting huh?
You should be happy thuogh, you got yourself a defense line at the gate of your forum and they won't let guys like me in

 

[Steve Dude Barr]

All the personality issues aside and to answer your original question Gil I think it depends on the "Limited Edition" run. As already stated earlier in this thread, EBMM does not generally number their limited edition runs X/XXX so it really isn't an issue for EBMM but I'll answer your question in general.

Other manufacturers have in the past numbered their limited edition runs and I have sold many on the used market and in some cases it has indeed made a substantial difference in value and in others not. I sold Ric Chris Squire 02/XXX (I think out of 300 or so?) for a premium price to a collector a year or so ago and in that specific case the low number out of the run did make a difference.

Other x/xxxx limted edition runs like the Yamaha Billy Sheehan 10th Anniversary basses I have not seen the resale values higher for the lower numbers in the series so it really is hard to say.

It's really moot point when discussing EBMM Limited Edition runs so I'm really going off topic here and won't go on further but in general I'd say it's always best to get the lowest number in a series "if" that series is numbered x/xxxx when speaking about instrumets or say lithographs.

 

[Steve Dude Barr]

ps: Just got in two EBMM 30th Anniversary Unlined Fretless Limited Editions today and shipping them out to customers tomorrow and the 3rd one I have on order is going under my bed and no I won't ever play it much to the dismay of those people who engage in the "collectors vs players" debate.

 

[Colin]

the 3rd one I have on order is going under my bed

You must have a big bed Steve...

 

[Steve Dude Barr]

Well, the FDPLE 01/12 is in my closet.

 

[smallequestrian]

Hey BP
It's getting harder to develop a real professional conversation about issues.

Gil, I respect everything you said here, but I have to take issue with this sentence. You say its getting harder to develop a real professional conversation, but your posts that people had issues with were not professional in tone. Whether its from a language barrier or some other reason, they were negative in tone and becuase of the "Miracle of the Internet" the intent of your comments was not understood.

After the initial posts, you can see that several people took the time to list why they didn't think it was a problem. Not saying that they are right and you are wrong, but they attempted to have the professional discussion about the issue you raised like you wanted.

On the other hand, there's a lot of selling and advertising sh*t going on by a few members who are always the first to fire back when I try to post an issue.

I have recently sold something, mainly because I am not made of money and I can't keep everything I want. The rule on the forum is that as long as things don't get out of hand we can sell EB related stuff here. A person selling something does not make what they have to say any less important. There is barely a person on the board that has not sold an EB product at some point. The fact that many of us have sold a few basses actually means that we have been able to play a majority of the offerings and can better advise on the actual differences of experiences that we have had.

Stick around man, nobody mines the constructive criticism, it helps keep us on our toes, just be more professional about it.

 

[bassmonkeee]

Funny--I see lots of people who have no problems having conversations of a professional, or personal, level on this forum. Lots of friendships have developed as a result of this forum, too.

It seems like the vast majority of people here are just fine with the tone and tenor of this forum. And, I don't even see that much ass kissing going on.

I guess people see what they want to see.

I just see a bunch of people who have a common love and most of them treat each other with respect while simultaneously busting each other's balls on occassion because that's what friends do.

If you don't like it here, good luck to you in finding someplace you feel like you do fit in. I certainly don't see this forum as broken.

 

[bovinehost]

I'm not posting here in order to praise and lick someone's a*s like many others do. I believe a forum should be informative and deal with any concerns we might raise and that includes negative aspects as well.

Hmmm. In order to make an informed decision about the butt-kissing, I'll need you to be more specific. What you might have missed along the way is that what appears to be butt-kissing might actually be conversation amongst friends...and might also be the perception, at least, of truth.

Speaking only for myself, of course, I can assure you that if I say it, I believe it to be true. If this comes across as anything else, then perhaps the transmission is not the problem - it might be in the reception.

I share your belief that the forum should be informative and so on. In fact, I think it is. We get more real information here than we have a reasonable right to expect. BP is, of course, the bottom line on what the company's doing, but the Forumites are well informed and perfectly willing to share that information.

Was there something specific that wasn't addressed?

This has nothing to do with being sensitive because I'm getting the "heat" every time I try to point at something that is off of the mainstream line of "MM is perfect".

I read through this entire thread again and don't see much in the way of 'heat'. This may again be a breakdown in language. You tell me.

The last couple of days I spent some time in the forum after a long break, and I have to say that it's not my cup of tea any longer. It's getting harder to develop a real professional conversation about issues.

I'm sorry you feel that way about the forum, although I must say I'm not quite as sorry as I was yesterday. I clearly don't agree with your perception that it's difficult to have a conversation about issues. This forum gets a fair amount of action from people all over the world and if we're not talking about issues, what are we doing? It seems obvious to me that most members here feel this is a good place to be. If you don't, then I can't say we're going to work much harder at changing your mind.

Listen, if 100 people are standing around a car and 99 say it's blue while 1 person says it's red, then it's very likely the car is actually blue. This has to be the way I view this. If you're seeing a red car, you might want to give it some further consideration.

...there's a lot of selling and advertising sh*t going on by a few members who are always the first to fire back when I try to post an issue. Interesting huh?
You should be happy thuogh, you got yourself a defense line at the gate of your forum and they won't let guys like me in

You didn't try to post an issue - you DID post an issue, and I fail to see where anyone tried to shout you down. If you're talking about me with the advertising, then you're wrong. I'm a dealer, I don't hide it nor do I scream it from the rooftops. I figure everyone here already knows who sells Music Man, and it's hard to make a bad choice as to which dealer they choose to buy from.

And I reviewed my responses to your 'issue' (that Music Man makes too many basses - odd thinking there, mate) and have no reason to regret or edit anything I've said along the way, especially since I took the time to try to give you a detailed response. (I did suggest decaf, but that was only because you seemed a bit over-excited for a while. I stand by the decaf comment, too.)

Last item. BP hardly needs us or anyone else as a line of defense. That's not what I do here. But again, what you might fail to recognize is that many of us actually know each other, we're not just imaginary internet people, and we've eaten together, played together, perhaps even had a drink or two. If it seems to you that people are defending anyone, not just BP, it may be because of friendship rather than butt-kissing, as you so diplomatically put it.

Jack

 

[Big Poppa]

Sometimes a forum just doesnt fit...especially when you cant attack a company or its achievements or its owner without getting it shoved right back at you.

I asked Gil to be more sensitive and he responded by calling all of us asskissers and suggested that I am surrounded by puppets.

Dont you hate it when you have a guest that keep threatening to leave and never does?

 

[bassmonkeee]

Sometimes a forum just doesnt fit...especially when you cant attack a company or its achievements or its owner without getting it shoved right back at you.

I asked Gil to be more sensitive and he responded by calling all of us asskissers and suggested that I am surrounded by puppets.

Dont you hate it when you have a guest that keep threatening to leave and never does?

Butt kissing line forms behind me, folks.*






*Erm...how about a hand shaking/tequila shot buying line, instead?

 

[Big Poppa]

only if it is a secret handshake

 

[SteveB]

Sometimes it helps to reflect on the reality that we're just people with diverse opinions behind far-away keyboards.

I don't think anyone here wakes up with the goal of sending anyone packing from this forum. Sure, sometimes you need a little skin thickener here, as you would in any online forum. But by and large I think we're an amicable group of enthusiasts.

I think there's a lot of genuine camaraderie here that could be misconstrued as ass kissing. I don't think that Sterling would do all the things he does for us (open house, Dargie Delight, Dallas bash.. to name a few) if he didn't genuinely like or care about us knuckleheads. Why go to the trouble? (Expensive marketing ploy? )

 

[nashman]

I'd like to provide my (neutral) observations and comments on the underlying communication issues represented in this thread.

IMHO, the CONTEXT of the various comments must be taken into account. This is an EBMM forum that is paid for by the Manufacturer. EBMM forumites share a common passion. I think all comments, including those related to product improvement suggestions, are generally welcomed based on my observations. I think it's fair for forumites to communicate product suggestions and on the other hand, it's fair for other forumites to reject or support these suggestions. It's not the improvement suggestions themselves that are causing the issues here, rather the way in which they are being communicated. When the line gets crossed, emotion takes over.

Individuals communicating product improvement suggstions should keep their comments in context of the realities of the forum they are on and be sensitive to the environment in which they are communicating. It's like walking into a bar full of passionate fans for team "A" and shouting out the team sucks ... expect immediate, emotional reaction. The same comment in a different environment might invoke a completely different reaction, if any i.e. a non-Manufacturer's forum.

In an ever increasing global world, cultural and language challenges are an increasing reality also ... and we all need to be sensitive to this also.

The line being crossed is undefined, creating the potential for this type of issue. We therefore need to be sensitive that it exists ... and try to operate within it.

 

[syciprider]

We just need to keep in mind that EB pays for this forum and they (understandably) will not allow it to be used as an outlet for folks to punk them jokingly or not. There are other forums where those can be done.

 

[Psychicpet]

my form of butt kissing is:
by showing Sterling and Dudley how "I" made things on my bass sound "better"
ya, that's kissin' butt alright

and as for content, well, you 've got a bunch of rabid Music Man freaks (yours truly included) that love their Music Man basses AND this bandwidth is on BP's tab?!!!?!!

and further more! I ain't nobodys puppet!well....maybe my wife's but that's worth it for the "payoff"