ksandvik
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It's best to ignore opinionated postings on TGP forum and just try out an EBMM guitar and make your decision instead of following the herd.
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vexed73
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Luke is the only one I have had any problems with. I find them to be rather chunky otherwise.
Magic Jason
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I hope I didn't offend anyone when I suggested to let the "ol' gits" on TGP moan about how narrow the MM necks are.
Fact is I was upset myself after reading comments on TGP on "How could Albert Lee play his signature MM model when he owns original 52 telecasters?" and how better he sounded while playing F**rs.
I bet less than 3% of them ol' gits has actually played an Albert Lee MM model.
And when I talk with elder guitarists, the list of guitar myths I will never understand seems endless :
- "Chunky necks are for the real men." I just LOVE how "easy" the MM necks are. I've owned and loved some great F***er guitars but... What is the point of always "fighting" with these huge necks while your music flows effortlessly with a MM?
- "Vintage tuners superiority" will always remain a mystery to me : it takes forever to change strings and tuning stability is "vintage" as well.
- "Roadworn painting is THE thing". Now, I can see the charm of a guitar battered trough years of rehearsals and performing... But paying to have a new guitar that artificially looks like ****???? Beats me! I just can't get it!
- "Guitars with vintage nitro painting sound much better"... There are so many other factors that will influence your guitar tone : woods, pickups, settings, amps, effects, PLAYING...
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mikeller
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I read a post once (on TGP) suggesting something to the effect, that no one that has ever played a show on a MM neck ever played a second show with one. Made me wonder what kind of boulder that person lives under?
Siddius
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I had a guitar maintenance instructor who poked fun at people who bought vintage guitars and then complained when hey didn't: play as well, sound as good, stay in tune, intonate well, etc..
There is a something to be said about the great vintage guitars, which is why most newer companies of any clout have built upon and improved those designs.
Though early Gibson Les Paul's apparently had a certain je ne sais quoi as they were all hand made and unique. Allen Hinds was talking to me about his '50s Gold Top and how he tried two from the same year that both went for $12,000. He said one was absolutely magic, while the other one played and sounded no better than what you could get on the new market.
There is a something to be said about the great vintage guitars, which is why most newer companies of any clout have built upon and improved those designs.
Though early Gibson Les Paul's apparently had a certain je ne sais quoi as they were all hand made and unique. Allen Hinds was talking to me about his '50s Gold Top and how he tried two from the same year that both went for $12,000. He said one was absolutely magic, while the other one played and sounded no better than what you could get on the new market.
steevo
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I'd played fender guitars and basses from the age of 9, im now 32 and am glued to my musicman silhouette and sterling 5. They are just better put together than anything else ive ever played and they set up so easy too. Its each to their own when it comes to it, fender and gibson havent been in business for as long a they have for no reason and they will always hold a special place in everybody's heart but personally i cant see myself ever buying another fender.
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Spudmurphy
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Nah no offence taken.
Guitars? - a very emotive subject!
There are a lot of people out there that will have a "pack" mentality and they will not deviate from the alpha male running the pack
Gibson and Fender have made some great guitars over the years, also some not so good.
I've had discussions over the merits of the 59 Les Paul - a lot of people just "have to have one". Well, many of them in 59 weren't that good - ended up with the traditional LP going out of production and being born again in the guise of an SG - later to be reborn in the original generic shape. Therefore the laws of supply and demand mean that 59'ers go for a lot of money.
I've spent (according to my calculator) approx 1500 weekends around my mates guitar repair workshop, and over that time have seen a lot of old guitars - some feel and play fine - some are horrible and I would not pay £1 for them as a playable instrument. I think that the "pack" mentality invariably results in people spouting off on a topic they perhaps know very little about first hand, it's mere conjecture - they are probably re iterating somebody else's viewpoint via Chinese whispers perhaps?
I used to smile at these ne'er-do-wells , now I don't even bother reading their diatribe, no longer frequenting their lair.
I'm not a one brand guitar guy - I still own Fender and Gibson guitars - however, as I now wear the "badge of an old git" and no longer have the "wisdom of youth", I know what I prefer despite others unfounded comments.
My heart/hands/ears/back just love MM guitars, it's my preference, no one else's - and that principle is the reason I'm buying a DMC 12 when I retire lol
In the meantime Albert continues to play his MM guitar - he still has his tele though (well he did when I had the pleasure of talking to him a few years ago)
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KasperFauerby
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Ok, so the size thing I kind of get - kind of. What I mean is, I understand that if people have played larger/thicker necks for all their life then of course a slim/small MM neck is going to feel a bit alien when they first pick it up. That being said, the quality of the necks on MM guitars are simply outstanding, and personally I don't want to play anything else!
Most of my friends who doesn't play MusicMan say the same thing - they are super impressed with the smooth feel of the neck, and they admire the build quality of all my MM guitars. But the neck feels strange to them. I think having that opinion is totally ok! Some of them even say that they wish they could play a MM neck (which I personally think is a silly thing to say, because of course they could... it would take very short time to adjust to a new neck. But ok....).
A "hater" on the Internet who simply dismisses all EBMM guitars based on the fact that they heard that the neck is small or slim isn't worthy of our attention and should simply be ignored!
Personally I don't have particular problems with going between different necks, and I like to think it's a quality in itself to be able to play any guitar
And as a closing comment on necks - I've noticed that the neck on my Reflex is quite a bit more "hefty" than my two Luke's. To me, without being an expert judge, it feels very much like a Strat neck. So that guitar seems to be an excellent "way in" for those who think they cannot play MM necks...
Most of my friends who doesn't play MusicMan say the same thing - they are super impressed with the smooth feel of the neck, and they admire the build quality of all my MM guitars. But the neck feels strange to them. I think having that opinion is totally ok! Some of them even say that they wish they could play a MM neck (which I personally think is a silly thing to say, because of course they could... it would take very short time to adjust to a new neck. But ok....).
A "hater" on the Internet who simply dismisses all EBMM guitars based on the fact that they heard that the neck is small or slim isn't worthy of our attention and should simply be ignored!
Personally I don't have particular problems with going between different necks, and I like to think it's a quality in itself to be able to play any guitar
And as a closing comment on necks - I've noticed that the neck on my Reflex is quite a bit more "hefty" than my two Luke's. To me, without being an expert judge, it feels very much like a Strat neck. So that guitar seems to be an excellent "way in" for those who think they cannot play MM necks...
paranoid70
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I don't quite get the small guitar comment. I'm 6'4" and my Silhouettes don't really look or feel small to me at all. Also if we are being completely honest, I don't find the size of a Silhouette neck to be very much different than a Les Paul standard.
I guess I'm just more concerned about playing the right chords and getting the sound I want than if the neck of one guitar is a few millimeters smaller than another.
I guess I'm just more concerned about playing the right chords and getting the sound I want than if the neck of one guitar is a few millimeters smaller than another.
ksandvik
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Yes I never understood the idea of purchasing vintage guitars that sound crappy and are uncomfortable, like the run of Fender Strats in the eighties. I guess someone has to justify their expensive purchase.
banjoplayer
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Interesting, never was on TGP or read that the MM necks are crap.
Other than that i often read that MM is famous for it´s great necks. That´s what I thought about the brand before I even played one.
And the size of the neck: I think you can get used to most of it and a good player can play every guitar in a good way unless it´s poor of quality, maybe even then...
Other than that i often read that MM is famous for it´s great necks. That´s what I thought about the brand before I even played one.
And the size of the neck: I think you can get used to most of it and a good player can play every guitar in a good way unless it´s poor of quality, maybe even then...
Anybody can play on any guitar as long as you put the time in and get accustomed to it. Some necks make learning a particular technique on easier than others, and when people can't duplicate that technique on another guitar immediately, they write it off. After owning many different guitars I prefer EBMM and Suhr because of their quality, sound, and feel but also own Fender, Epiphone (Les Paul) for different tone selection.
There are some MM necks that are not as comfortable as other MM necks !!!!to me!!!!
To me:
SiLOs are perfect
If I pick up a Morse it is the last thing I do that day. I just can't stop playing it.
Petrucci's are just crazy incredible.
To me:
SiLOs are perfect
If I pick up a Morse it is the last thing I do that day. I just can't stop playing it.
Petrucci's are just crazy incredible.
thindave
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Well, I'm one of those guys who can't get along with MM necks. My hands would cramp up when playing them - I had an AL and a Rosewood Axis. Loved the way they felt and played, but had to sell them both. Switched over to PRS wide/fat which are super comfortable for me. The LP 59 profile works as well... I always check back here to see if they are making larger necks (like the ones that they make for Blues Saraceno, but no-one else) but they don't.
ozzyrules
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thindave
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What are the measurements on those necks? Nut width, neck depth at 1st & 12th frets?
Siddius
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I'm not so fond of Petrucci's, but otherwise we are of the same fabric. I fell in love with music man when a classmate had a silhouette special and I thought that the neck looked interesting. I touched it and about creamed. When I went to the hollywood guitar center they didn't have any unfinished silhis, but the morse felt golden. I've bought 2 Morses and my 2nd Silhouette is on it's way. i sold one morse to afford the PDN morse.
banjoplayer
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didn´t the Steve Morse Darklord have some kind of LP-neck?
I feel MM necks to be thinner in width than most - which does take getting used to.
This can have its advantages (easier use of thumb/dexterity) and disadvantages (chordal work) - but for me the feel of MM necks are amazing - and that trumps the downside and its a big reason why I gravitate to EBMM
I found my reflex neck to be my fave of MM necks - it feels a bit thicker to my sil special
This can have its advantages (easier use of thumb/dexterity) and disadvantages (chordal work) - but for me the feel of MM necks are amazing - and that trumps the downside and its a big reason why I gravitate to EBMM
I found my reflex neck to be my fave of MM necks - it feels a bit thicker to my sil special
