O/T Line 6 and Bogner?

[Multiversal]

So, there's a music store across the street from Berklee.. and I go there sometimes to jam with friends and whatnot in between classes.

Well, every time I go, I find myself playing through this Line 6 amp with Bogner's name on it.. and it sounds incredible.

Have you guys tried it? It does everything.

Due to my recent bug and need of versatility, I'm considering getting it.. but I'd need to get rid of my Mark IV..

Have you guys tried it? I hate Line 6 stuff, but this thing sounds really great.

 

[koogie2k]

I gave it a try. I liked it. I like Line 6, but, I am after something a bit different. I want an all tube amp. However, I think Line 6 is answering the critics call by teaming up with Bogner to get that tube sound...which I think will generate more customers to their products. We'll see.

 

[PeteDuBaldo]

I think the amp hybrid is a cool idea. When we became Line 6 dealers about a year and a half ago we had a terrible experience between them and the local GC so I did not renew our dealer agreement. Our sales rep called me 2 weeks ago and was trying to sell me on the Bogner/L6 stuff. I've heard good things about the hybrid from users but my personal experience with the company is why I no longer carry their product.

Anyways, I'm rambling. If the amp sounds good, don't be afraid to grab it and give it a good thrashing. Right now I am pretty impressed with the modular Randall MTS series...

 

[fatoni]

getting rid of your mark iv because the new spider is versatile does not make any sense at all. ive never tried the spider tube but nobody really needs more than a mark iv has to offer. once the gas settles i think you will see that anything line 6 is seriously outclassed by the mark iv...if you do end up swapping amps, let me know how it works out because it just seems like no matter the reason, getting rid of the mark iv would end up with nothing more than regret.

 

[Slingy]

A PodXT plus Atomic amp blows it away. Mostly due to the Atomic's tuned and ported oversized closed cabinet designed by famed cabinet maker Harry Kolbe. The Spider Valve has minimal effects and Pod 2.0 models. With the Spider Valve, every model uses a real V30, which can be good or bad. Next time your in the store try hooking it up to some different cabinets.

I've never played a Mark 4. Tonal bliss?

 

[fatoni]

marks have the best tone ever not to mention so much versatility. carlos santana and john scofield use marks...so do lamb of god, john petrucci and metalica.

 

[psy501]

A PodXT plus Atomic amp blows it away........

+1 !!!!!

 

[Rossie]

Am I the only one that doesn't like the new Spider Valve amps?

 

[TNT]

It seems on the forefront that it may be a match made in Heaven, however, it kinda defeats the whole purpose of what Line 6 is about, i.e., reaching the tube level through digital!!

This almost concedes defeat in that sense.

I am a TUBE fan completely, however Line 6 is a great digital amp, and if I wanted a digital amp I would buy a Line 6.

Tube amps are "WORLDS" apart from digital amps - period!! In fact, who would even venture to argue that comparison?? They are two completely different animals!

Although getting Bogner does put a tube amp genius in the loop, but certainly don't expect a Bogner amp with this product!

 

[koogie2k]

TNT....exactly...however, it is a tube amp with Bogner's help in design. I am 1000% sure they would not give away all their tonal secrets...lol. I don't think they gave up....I think they heard the ramblings of "tube tone or nothing" and decided to get with the program and bust out a tube amp. They are marketing towards the tube lovers and it will bring them more business. Smart move really if you ask me.


The Mark IV is a great amp. I wish I could find one and be able to afford it at the time....cause, I would scoop one up in a minute! However, there are other amps out there that, in my opinion, have better tonal qualities. But, you are then talking in the boo-teak range.

I think the Line 6 amp is good. Would I trade in a Mark IV for it? I don't think so. I agree with fatoni on this....keep the Mark IV if you can.

 

[Multiversal]

Just tossing around the idea, and throwing it out there for your guys' opinions.. that's all.

I love the Mark IV, don't get me wrong.

Thanks for you replies.

 

[leftyguitarblue]

I used Line 6 in my last cover band because it was great for covering different styles due to the digital elements. I could just turn a knob and go from "Enter Sandman" to "867-5309," but the sound lacked any soul, but maybe adding the Bogner tube will give it that.

 

[fbecir]

Did you try the Line6/Bogner at full volume. My experience with digital amps is that when you play at room level (or shop level) it's nice, but when you play "for real", the sound is becoming harsh and synthetic.
Besides, the digital stuff gives you a lot of sounds. My Marshall gives me just a few sounds, but all of them are good. At the end, you just need a Clean Sound, a Crunch Sound and a High Gain Sound as basic sounds. After that you add a few effects (delay, chorus) and the job is done.

 

[Multiversal]

Did you try the Line6/Bogner at full volume. My experience with digital amps is that when you play at room level (or shop level) it's nice, but when you play "for real", the sound is becoming harsh and synthetic.
Besides, the digital stuff gives you a lot of sounds. My Marshall gives me just a few sounds, but all of them are good. At the end, you just need a Clean Sound, a Crunch Sound and a High Gain Sound as basic sounds. After that you add a few effects (delay, chorus) and the job is done.

I did try it at loud volumes, and that's why I hated the original Line 6 stuff, but this sounded actually pretty good at loud volumes. That's the only reason I was considering it.

 

[PBGas]

I had one of these for about 3 weeks. I did like it. It was kind of a bandaid solution for me as I wanted that tube sound but liked the line 6 modelling. I didn't like the way the effects system was because you have some limits on what you can do with it and how much control you have over them. The effects are decent enough on it, just very limited in what you can do with them.

It's a nice amp and it is built for a certain price point. The construction of it was good and I liked the oversized cabinet that they use for it. It is warmer than all of their other amps which is nice. It sounded nice when cranked but just didn't have that extra sizzle I was looking for. I guess I've been spoiled by a few tube amps.

However, for simplicity and versatility, it's a great thing. Bring a floorboard with it and you are gig ready in an instant.

However....a Mark IV to get rid of is something that you must consider wisely. That is a wonderful amp.

 

[fbecir]

However....a Mark IV to get rid of is something that you must consider wisely. That is a wonderful amp.

+1
New toys seem always brighter than our old workhorse
I spent quite a lot money with digital stuff. At the end, I am always returning to my Marshall and my pedals ...

 

[TNT]

Yeah Koog,

That was a "smart" move by Line 6 people to reel in some of the fence riders (as I call them) i.e., those in the DMV zone, between tube and digital. Probably a pretty decent niche.

But you guys all hit the nail on the head!! When you turn up the volumn on a digital amp THERE IT ALL GOES DOWN THE TUBES!!!!

Therein lies the biggest problem with digital - you CAN'T turn it up!!

 

[Tim O'Sullivan]

I love my Line 6 Duoverb and choose to use this rather than any other amp, regardless of price point. That said, I only use two sounds, but they are good sounds!

 

[Spudmurphy]

Just tossing around the idea, and throwing it out there for your guys' opinions.. that's all.

I love the Mark IV, don't get me wrong.

Thanks for you replies.

Why not try a different approach?

Keep the M4 and put a Pod Xt through the return/send loop.
Best of both worlds?

 

[roburado]

Am I the only one that doesn't like the new Spider Valve amps?

No. I don't like it either. I think that it doesn't sound much different from the Spider, which I never liked. It's also got the same useless 500 tremolo-based sounds.

I used Line 6 in my last cover band because it was great for covering different styles due to the digital elements. I could just turn a knob and go from "Enter Sandman" to "867-5309," but the sound lacked any soul, but maybe adding the Bogner tube will give it that.

As above, I don't think that whatever Bogner added to the amp made a bit of difference.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not a guy who is going to say "all tube or nothing." I've liked a lot of things that Tristan did with the Amplitube stuff. I am satisfied with my Pod xt, but if you're talking about amps, I have no interest in the Spider Valve. It doesn't do a darn thing for me.