Opinions on Silos vs. Silo Specials

[whitestrat]

But, I've also wondered if some 12th fret magic wouldn't get lost on a 24 fretter, when on the S neck position. I recall BP explaining the real need for the 22 fret Special, having to do (I believe) with harmonics due to the single coil neck p'up being at the 24th fret.

That's exactly what I've been talking about...

 

[candid_x]

That's exactly what I've been talking about...

I wondered if that's what you were talking about. Except that I thought the JP was originally in question, which is a 24 fret. Or was it a Luke? But yeah, there's good tone mojo there, when using the neck pup on a Special.

 

[fogman]

Foggy, now dont you make me start thinking about a Silhouette now buddy, i'm warning you! Seriously, much wrath will occur. Doom even.

Seriously Rob.
I don't know if you've tried one before or not. But knowing the type of music you like to play, especially with cleans, you'd love position 2 & 4.
Your new amp is begging for those tones!

 

[robelinda2]

Yeah i have played a Silhouette years ago, but it was beat up and had really old strings so i put it down after about 3 seconds! If I was to get a Silhouette i'd have to sift through the options, maple/rosewood, trem/hardtail, gosh i dont know! I'd probably go hardtail, but then which colour is best for a silo.....

 

[whitestrat]

I wondered if that's what you were talking about. Except that I thought the JP was originally in question, which is a 24 fret. Or was it a Luke? But yeah, there's good tone mojo there, when using the neck pup on a Special.

The luke is a 22 fretter... The jp is a 24 fretter. But I think the big tone from the JP comes from a few things: The basswood, the pickup itself, and the excellent EBMM construction. The 20th sounds nothing like the size of the JP tone on the neck hum, but it has it's purposes...

However, we're not just talking about the big tone here for the Silo Spec neck tone. It's got quack, it's got belltone, and it's CLEAN. The Jp tone, while big, is no where as clear as this...

 

[whitestrat]

I'd probably go hardtail, but then which colour is best for a silo.....

SPARKLES!!!!!

 

[darchirnoj]

The luke is a 22 fretter... The jp is a 24 fretter. But I think the big tone from the JP comes from a few things: The basswood, the pickup itself, and the excellent EBMM construction. The 20th sounds nothing like the size of the JP tone on the neck hum, but it has it's purposes...

However, we're not just talking about the big tone here for the Silo Spec neck tone. It's got quack, it's got belltone, and it's CLEAN. The Jp tone, while big, is no where as clear as this...

Yeah, see, that's exactly what I use it for. Since I've got that OLP Silo Special (not an EBMM), I simply can't stop playing it. As far as playability and sound goes, it kills my little Gibby Melody Maker and my PRS McCarty Rosewood (with Pete Biltoft Vintage Vibe p-90 sized Humbuckers)....and that's exactly what I love about the neck and middle......The neck and neck-middle give me excellent clean sounds that I need between the gain of the bridge humbucker.
Usually switching from a bridge to a neck humbucker for this purpose just got me the same sound only muddier, duller......sounded just like the bridge with the tone rolled off.
With those singles, I get excellent clean sounds. The only drawback is the volume difference and the hum.
I saw a really nice Siho (h-s-h) this past saturday, but didn't have time to play it. I may stop by tomorrow to give that thing a listen, especially that neck hb.

 

[candid_x]

The luke is a 22 fretter... The jp is a 24 fretter. But I think the big tone from the JP comes from a few things: The basswood, the pickup itself, and the excellent EBMM construction. The 20th sounds nothing like the size of the JP tone on the neck hum, but it has it's purposes...

However, we're not just talking about the big tone here for the Silo Spec neck tone. It's got quack, it's got belltone, and it's CLEAN. The Jp tone, while big, is no where as clear as this...

chucklin, I'm not communicating well. I know the JP is 24 frets and the Luke is 22. But I wasn't sure which was the topic of the other thread. I thought it was the JP, which wouldn't have the same phenomenon as the 22 fret SS spoken of here.

 

[whitestrat]

chucklin, I'm not communicating well. I know the JP is 24 frets and the Luke is 22. But I wasn't sure which was the topic of the other thread. I thought it was the JP, which wouldn't have the same phenomenon as the 22 fret SS spoken of here.

Ahh... Whahahaha...

 

[paranoid70]

What advantage does the neck humbucker get you over a single coil? I've never quite got it.

Rob, don't you use the neck PU on your 20th? I do all the time. I don't know if it gives me an "advantage" over the single coil on the SS, but it sounds really cool.

 

[robelinda2]

Yeah i do use the neck bucker on the 20th, but do i need to have it on the silo too, or is the silo special just right?

 

[darchirnoj]

You know, the more that I think about it, I've never really been attracted to use the humbucker neck pickup in any of my current or previous guitars, with the exception of a custom built guitar that I had briefly.....it had this awesome pickup from Bryan Gunsher at bg-pups.com, but I can't remember which model it was....man, that thing was sooooooo sweet and glassy.
Now the neck single on my OLP, I do find myself using it more than I did neck humbuckers. Perhaps I'll just get the Silo Special then.

 

[robelinda2]

the neck single coil on the AL and silo special is amazing! so beautiful. actually i may even prefer the MM90 neck single coil on the AL! Not enough love for the AL MM90's around here, they are simnple awesome.

 

[darchirnoj]

the neck single coil on the AL and silo special is amazing! so beautiful. actually i may even prefer the MM90 neck single coil on the AL! Not enough love for the AL MM90's around here, they are simnple awesome.

I'd give one a go, but unfortunately will probably never see one in my lifetime.

 

[robelinda2]

I had to bite the bullet and buy my first one one from ebay USA to even try one, at least you are already there!

 

[rlarino]

i prefer the SS, more versatile, the neck pickup single coil is more usable to me than a humbucker in the neck.

+1

 

[paranoid70]

is the silo special just right?

Oh yes, it is just right.

 

[Sub1 Zero]

I'll say again, I'm not so sure one is more or less versatile than the other, but they are different.

 

[whitestrat]

Yeah i do use the neck bucker on the 20th, but do i need to have it on the silo too, or is the silo special just right?

Again, they are different. The positions of all the pickups on the silo are diffrent than those on the SS (except the Hum in the bridge, I think). So, even if you change the Silo to a SSH configuration, it still would sound different compared to the SS. And personally, I prefer the look of the Silo.

The thing about the 20th, is that it's limited to just being a beautiful HH guitar, while the Silo can be a real workhorse. Don't like the pup configuration? change it! And it's a 100% alder body, with no mahogany tonebock. So that still gives a subtly different tone compared to the 20th. They are different guitars.

I'd like to own all 3 one day.

 

[candid_x]

The neck bucker by itself isn't that great. I would say that for most guitars.

This hasn't been the case with me. When playing an HH, I usually spend a fair amount of time on the neck pickup; makes for sweet classic solo tones. That would include LP, SG, 335's as well. As has been said, it's just different from a single coil.