Off Topic So what brings you here? Mac or PC
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Astrofreq
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No joke. ONE day after asking my question on this forum, my PC at home gets infected with spyware. I haven't had a virus on my computer in at least five years. Ended up staying up formatting my hard drive, watching the snow come down. This could be a sign. 
DJ.
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PC(s)
Chewie
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Solaris 10 @ EBMM
However new servers just arrived and switching back to Red Hat shortly. RHEL5 FTW. Yay! Gonna get me some Google Chrome.
Ubuntu 9.10 @ Home
And I won't get into all the other miscellaneous servers we have but they are either Solaris 10, Red Hat or Ubuntu.
However new servers just arrived and switching back to Red Hat shortly. RHEL5 FTW. Yay! Gonna get me some Google Chrome.
Ubuntu 9.10 @ Home
And I won't get into all the other miscellaneous servers we have but they are either Solaris 10, Red Hat or Ubuntu.
Chewie, Google Chrome huh, I'm using Chrome as part of Moblin, crashes an aweful lot. I'm gonna switch back to Mozilla, more stable IMO.
Glenn |B)
Eilif
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Windows has been chasing Mac since 1984. I don't think they've quite caught up (yet?), but Microsoft has certainly narrowed the gap by a huge margin.
Windows 95 = Macintosh 1984
I recognize that in comparing two operating systems, there is a lot of room for subjective opinion. But the reason I can say MacOS is better than Windows is because studies have shown that people get more work done with fewer errors under Mac than under Windows.
Windows 95 = Macintosh 1984
I recognize that in comparing two operating systems, there is a lot of room for subjective opinion. But the reason I can say MacOS is better than Windows is because studies have shown that people get more work done with fewer errors under Mac than under Windows.
I guess I should have suspected that you'd be looking at the iPad, Frank. I've heard it's pretty popular with older folks that are losing their eyesight. I mean it's basically just an iPod Touch with a bigger screen - like those big button telephones.
Is it on?
Mike
megaroel
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this is a pc world. but big mac's are really tasty. lol
jamminjim
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I'm writing code for Mac virus'.......
jamminjim
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just kidding.....
Eilif
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No need to apologize.
Not sure I follow you, 'tho. Apple's not forcing you to buy their hardware to run MacOS...because you're buying a computer, not an operating system. I think you're looking at it backwards. With Microsoft, you're buying the software, but with Apple, you're buying a computer system, which comprises both hardware and software. The premium is paid since it is a better overall system, even with the same hardware specs: it's the better OS that makes it a better system.
(Actually, you *can* buy a MacOS disc and run it on non-Apple hardware. You have to have some computer know-how, but it is doable.)
Saying that Apple forces you to buy their hardware so you can run MacOS is like saying EBMM forces you to buy their guitar so you can have the Axis pickups. The Axis and the AX40 specs are almost identical. The biggest difference, arguably, is in the pickups. It's the same with two computers of identical hardware specs, but one runs Windows, and the other runs MacOS.
Not sure I follow you, 'tho. Apple's not forcing you to buy their hardware to run MacOS...because you're buying a computer, not an operating system. I think you're looking at it backwards. With Microsoft, you're buying the software, but with Apple, you're buying a computer system, which comprises both hardware and software. The premium is paid since it is a better overall system, even with the same hardware specs: it's the better OS that makes it a better system.
(Actually, you *can* buy a MacOS disc and run it on non-Apple hardware. You have to have some computer know-how, but it is doable.)
Saying that Apple forces you to buy their hardware so you can run MacOS is like saying EBMM forces you to buy their guitar so you can have the Axis pickups. The Axis and the AX40 specs are almost identical. The biggest difference, arguably, is in the pickups. It's the same with two computers of identical hardware specs, but one runs Windows, and the other runs MacOS.
No need to apologize.
Not sure I follow you, 'tho. Apple's not forcing you to buy their hardware to run MacOS...because you're buying a computer, not an operating system. I think you're looking at it backwards. With Microsoft, you're buying the software, but with Apple, you're buying a computer system, which comprises both hardware and software. The premium is paid since it is a better overall system, even with the same hardware specs: it's the better OS that makes it a better system.
(Actually, you *can* buy a MacOS disc and run it on non-Apple hardware. You have to have some computer know-how, but it is doable.)
Saying that Apple forces you to buy their hardware so you can run MacOS is like saying EBMM forces you to buy their guitar so you can have the Axis pickups. The Axis and the AX40 specs are almost identical. The biggest difference, arguably, is in the pickups. It's the same with two computers of identical hardware specs, but one runs Windows, and the other runs MacOS.
I guess we can agree to disagree here - because I still think the opposite. You can't 'legally' run MacOS on a PC. I am well aware that it can be done, but Apple does not sell the OS for use on other systems. They technically do require that you buy their hardware if you want to use their OS. I do understand the argument that you're buying a 'system', but the system is the sum of it's parts. If you want to assume that they're not charging an exorbitant price for their hardware, then you have to assume that they are for the OS - and then you have to start arguing that that ease of use is worth thousands extra.
Also, while I will agree that Pat makes great guitars, I don't think I'd say that the AX40 and the Axis minus the pickups are the same guitar...I think my same guitar/different strings analogy was closer.
Again, I think I'm going to bow out here and just agree to disagree...
Mike
Astrofreq
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Believe me, this is all helpful. This is an awesome discussion.
brasco68
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Neither Mac or PC...I come for the BBQ.
ScoobySteve
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Lots of seasoned people here, and I like that.
I'm a STRICT PC user. I LOVE Apple products, including their computers. I am more than qualified and more than proficient in utilizing their finer features.
Mac vs PC vs Brand X and so on is a good representation of BP's philosophy. "Choice is good." You can't argue with that. I love Apple, but it doesn't fit MY particular needs, doesn't mean I don't appreciate the thought and development into their machines.
You've gotta buy the item that suits your needs. It's like being a Democrat/Republican and voting on issues because of political partisan-ism without looking at the issues. It's silly. Can't buy one or the others until you've thoughtfully examined your needs and researched the options that are offered.
I use a PC, it suits my needs more than MAC can offer for me. When in the future the MAC becomes the new platform to suit my needs I'll change. Can't stick to the option because of "brand loyalty" as much as I'd love to. These are products, I'm paying for them, and I need my money to be spent wisely, simple as that.
If in 40 years Music Man guitars are the laughing stock of the neighborhood (which I know it wont, cause Poppa would sink it before anything horrendous would happen to it) because of poor quality, and terrible ethics, then I won't be using Music Man guitars anymore. But that's a hypothetical that's not going to happen.
I'm a STRICT PC user. I LOVE Apple products, including their computers. I am more than qualified and more than proficient in utilizing their finer features.
Mac vs PC vs Brand X and so on is a good representation of BP's philosophy. "Choice is good." You can't argue with that. I love Apple, but it doesn't fit MY particular needs, doesn't mean I don't appreciate the thought and development into their machines.
You've gotta buy the item that suits your needs. It's like being a Democrat/Republican and voting on issues because of political partisan-ism without looking at the issues. It's silly. Can't buy one or the others until you've thoughtfully examined your needs and researched the options that are offered.
I use a PC, it suits my needs more than MAC can offer for me. When in the future the MAC becomes the new platform to suit my needs I'll change. Can't stick to the option because of "brand loyalty" as much as I'd love to. These are products, I'm paying for them, and I need my money to be spent wisely, simple as that.
If in 40 years Music Man guitars are the laughing stock of the neighborhood (which I know it wont, cause Poppa would sink it before anything horrendous would happen to it) because of poor quality, and terrible ethics, then I won't be using Music Man guitars anymore. But that's a hypothetical that's not going to happen.
Eilif
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UI is part of the OS. All operating systems have some kind of user interface. When one is evaluating the entire experience of using an OS, the two are inseparable.
Eilif
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Yes, you *are* paying extra primarily for the software (the OS, for the most part. We'll leave iLife out of it.).
However, don't misunderstand me--I'm not arguing that Apple is worth it for everyone. For some, Windows is clearly the better choice. (I'm a good example of that with my work situation: I've got software I need to run, and that software exists only on Windows. Luckily, I can run Windows on an iMac, so I've got the best of both worlds.) I do argue that most people are better off with a Mac, but if it's not affordable, then hey, you gotta go with what you can afford. To revisit the guitar analogy, is it worth it to spend more on an EBMM when one can have SBMM for far less? That's a subjective question with no right or wrong answer. Some will say yes, and they are not wrong for having that opinion; others will say no, and they are not wrong for having that opinion. Yet, even faced with this choice, one can objectively argue that EBMM is the better guitar.
What I'm saying is that MacOS is better than Windows. (Generally speaking. Again, there are exceptions.) And I do feel that it's worth the extra money, but that's me. If someone disagrees that it's worth the price differential, I can't argue, because I'm not standing in his shoes. So I'm happy to agree to disagree.
Let me add here that I'm glad and pleasantly surprised that this discussion has not gone haywire, as it almost always does just about everywhere and every time online. There hasn't been any flaming, and I don't think anyone's gotten upset. This topic can be almost as volatile as politics.
However, don't misunderstand me--I'm not arguing that Apple is worth it for everyone. For some, Windows is clearly the better choice. (I'm a good example of that with my work situation: I've got software I need to run, and that software exists only on Windows. Luckily, I can run Windows on an iMac, so I've got the best of both worlds.
) I do argue that most people are better off with a Mac, but if it's not affordable, then hey, you gotta go with what you can afford. To revisit the guitar analogy, is it worth it to spend more on an EBMM when one can have SBMM for far less? That's a subjective question with no right or wrong answer. Some will say yes, and they are not wrong for having that opinion; others will say no, and they are not wrong for having that opinion. Yet, even faced with this choice, one can objectively argue that EBMM is the better guitar.What I'm saying is that MacOS is better than Windows. (Generally speaking. Again, there are exceptions.) And I do feel that it's worth the extra money, but that's me. If someone disagrees that it's worth the price differential, I can't argue, because I'm not standing in his shoes. So I'm happy to agree to disagree.
Let me add here that I'm glad and pleasantly surprised that this discussion has not gone haywire, as it almost always does just about everywhere and every time online. There hasn't been any flaming, and I don't think anyone's gotten upset.
This topic can be almost as volatile as politics. 
Assumer
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mac forever
francric
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I guess I should have suspected that you'd be looking at the iPad, Frank. I've heard it's pretty popular with older folks that are losing their eyesight. I mean it's basically just an iPod Touch with a bigger screen - like those big button telephones.
Is it on?
Mike
Mainly because of the cheap data plan but the size definitely helps. Everybody gets old, blind and senile eventually................
