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marduke

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I was hoping it would be Bluetooth! :D How cool would that be if the effects processor and midi switcher people got in the ballgame (pun intended).

Imagine setting up your presets on your pedal board and including the pickup configurations in your presets! How cool would that be? Imagine downloading JP's or Luke's or SM's guitar AND effect presets on your iPhone and uploading it to your guitar/effects rig.

that would be awesome!! it would be the perfect set up!
 

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I was hoping it would be Bluetooth! :D How cool would that be if the effects processor and midi switcher people got in the ballgame (pun intended).

Imagine setting up your presets on your pedal board and including the pickup configurations in your presets! How cool would that be? Imagine downloading JP's or Luke's or SM's guitar AND effect presets on your iPhone and uploading it to your guitar/effects rig.

Cool idea!
 

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sounds great !!!!

But how the Hell you get 56 diffrenet sound from 2 humbuckers :confused:

It all depends on how you look at the pickups. We tend to think of a humbucker as a single pickup, but in reality it is 2 single coil pickups sitting right next to each other.

There are all sorts of possibilities with the right switching. Beyond every possible combination of series and parallel with whichever coils you want in the circuit, you could use each coil independently. You could also reverse polarity (phase) on individual coils in whatever combination you want. It may not sound good, but you can do it. 56 actually seems like a small number to me given all of the technical possibilities. Maybe that's the number Big Poppa decided on due to cost efficiency.

Add another single coil like in a Silhouette and you add a LOT of different possibilities. I can think of 8-10 off the top of my head. Really cool stuff!

One thing I'd like to know .... is there a microprocessor involved?

Poppa mentioned microprocessors in another thread. I’m sure there's a processor of some kind involved here. From what I understand, the switching is all controlled digitally, but the signal path remains analog which means we get the tone we're all used to from our pickups, but we get all sorts of cool options with the switching and selection of individual pickup coils.

That would mean it should be easy to switch pickups. Your typical humbucker has 4 leads and a ground. Those leads would likely be soldered to a PCB and that's all. Brilliant, really. It would take a more steady hand to make the solder joints without shorting them out since it's a PCB, but it would be much easier since the pickup leads would always go to the same place.

Another possibility I can see with this, and Poppa take this if you want it, is the ability to choose between different tone capacitors. Say you want a .022 microfarad cap for your normal settings on your ASS, but you want to be able to switch to a .047 microfarad cap to get that more vintage Gibson-like tone control for a set. I could see that being done with this as well!

Lots of possibilities here!
 

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I wonder if the silent circuit will be integrated for when you want a single coil at a time.
 

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The Y25D is hardwired, not the gamechanger. Although,when BP and Steve called to verify which options they wanted on the proto, it would have been cool to send him a file to upload the new settings to his 25th on the spot! Things to come.....

Thanks Drew! That is a hell of a job, kudos!!
 

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Don't worry guys, I've just helped you out on the advertising..... now who's got my cheque????


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the24thfret

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What are those "56" options anyway? Has anyone tried to list them?

If there are 4 coils total in 2 humbuckers, and we labeled them "1" to "4" , the options would be...(assuming no technical constraints):

1) 1 only (nearest bridge)
2) 2 only
3) 3 only
4) 4 only (nearest neck)
5) 1+2 bridge humbucker
6) 1+3
7) 1+4
8) 2+3
9) 2+4
10) 3+4 neck humbucker
11) 1+2+3
12) 1+2+4
13) 1+3+4
14) 2+3+4
15) 3+4
16) 1+2+3+4 BFR JP "all on" coiltap (right?)

I must not be the sharpest tool in the shed, what am I missing?
 

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Personally I can see a zillion options for something like this, I think it's fantastic. Imagine being able to switch in passive compoments like capacitors, inductors, etc. You could really cover a tremendous amount of sonic ground very quickly.

Great stuff guys! Can't wait to hear more about it.
 

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What are those "56" options anyway? Has anyone tried to list them?

If there are 4 coils total in 2 humbuckers, and we labeled them "1" to "4" , the options would be...(assuming no technical constraints):

1) 1 only (nearest bridge)
2) 2 only
3) 3 only
4) 4 only (nearest neck)
5) 1+2 bridge humbucker
6) 1+3
7) 1+4
8) 2+3
9) 2+4
10) 3+4 neck humbucker
11) 1+2+3
12) 1+2+4
13) 1+3+4
14) 2+3+4
15) 3+4
16) 1+2+3+4 BFR JP "all on" coiltap (right?)

I must not be the sharpest tool in the shed, what am I missing?

you're missing all series and parallel combo's for each coils ...
 

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What are those "56" options anyway? Has anyone tried to list them?

If there are 4 coils total in 2 humbuckers, and we labeled them "1" to "4" , the options would be...(assuming no technical constraints):

1) 1 only (nearest bridge)
2) 2 only
3) 3 only
4) 4 only (nearest neck)
5) 1+2 bridge humbucker
6) 1+3
7) 1+4
8) 2+3
9) 2+4
10) 3+4 neck humbucker
11) 1+2+3
12) 1+2+4
13) 1+3+4
14) 2+3+4
15) 3+4
16) 1+2+3+4 BFR JP "all on" coiltap (right?)

I must not be the sharpest tool in the shed, what am I missing?

***Edited because I missed some stuff***

You're missing all of the parallel options and all of the polarity swapped options. Plus, what about coils 1+3 in parallel with coils 2+4 and other stuff like that you wouldn't normally do? There are way many more options than just the obvious. Like I said earlier, 56 is actually probably a low number, not a high one.

Here are a few options that sound cool to me:

+ = series
& = parallel

1+3 & 4
1+2 & 4
1+2 & 3
1 & 2+4
1 & 3+4
1+4 & 2+3
1+3 & 2+4
1 & 2 & 3 & 4

The JP BFR is 1+2 & 3+4...the 2 humbuckers in parallel, just like a "normal" 2H guitar with a 3 way switch.
 
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the24thfret

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Oh there you go, I was unaware there was a series/parallel thing going on... beyond awesome!
 

bkrumme

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Oh there you go, I was unaware there was a series/parallel thing going on... beyond awesome!

Absolutely beyond awesome! Beej and I both mentioned this earlier, but other components could be switched out as well, as long as the EBMM crew put their seal of approval on it.

I'd love to have all the pickup combinations, plus the choice to switch between a .01, a .022, a .047, and a .1 microfarad capacitor. That multiplies the possibilities by 4 just with that...
 
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