Big Poppa
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Knox
Get your posting out of you system becuase tommorow it will be kind of hard to do.
Get your posting out of you system becuase tommorow it will be kind of hard to do.
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I seem to remember starting a thread some time ago on this topic with pretty much the same opinions as most of those expressed so far in this thread.
I have however decided that there is now one exception......
A little while ago Gibson produced an accurate reproduction of Jimmy Page's #1 Les Paul. A well played but not actually badly shagged old guitar.
I understand that the first 25 or so of the run were all played a bit by Mr Page, were supplied with a display case, included a violin bow and also a hook on which to hang the 'played by Jimmy' strings that came with the instrument, after you had re-strung it.
Now I know this may be a bit cheesy to many, but to me Jimmy still seems like a genuine rock god that occasionally walked amongst us mortals.
For that, if I'd had the cash, I'd have bought one of those 25.
I suppose for those of us that didn't help found Microsoft and can't afford to buy the real articles, it's the closest we could come to buying a little bit of the mojo (albeit a very small, rather cynically marketed bit!
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I have however decided that there is now one exception......
A little while ago Gibson produced an accurate reproduction of Jimmy Page's #1 Les Paul. A well played but not actually badly shagged old guitar.
I understand that the first 25 or so of the run were all played a bit by Mr Page, were supplied with a display case, included a violin bow and also a hook on which to hang the 'played by Jimmy' strings that came with the instrument, after you had re-strung it.
Now I know this may be a bit cheesy to many, but to me Jimmy still seems like a genuine rock god that occasionally walked amongst us mortals.
For that, if I'd had the cash, I'd have bought one of those 25.
I suppose for those of us that didn't help found Microsoft and can't afford to buy the real articles, it's the closest we could come to buying a little bit of the mojo (albeit a very small, rather cynically marketed bit!
)
Fred E.
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Paying lots of $$ for a replica is okay for those who have that much disposable income--it's not much different than buying an expensive limited edition print. As far as being an instrument that a musician plays--not likely. Me, I like looking at good photos of famous basses & guitars, but I would never be in a position to buy a replica....if I ever could buy one, it would end up on a wall--just like the expensive print.
It seems to me, that if a company plans to do a limited edition replica of a famous instrument, then they ought to do it on a pre-order basis rather than a set number run with the hope of finding enough buyers.
Anyway, IMO, it's almost completely out of the realm of musical instruments that are built to be played.
It seems to me, that if a company plans to do a limited edition replica of a famous instrument, then they ought to do it on a pre-order basis rather than a set number run with the hope of finding enough buyers.
Anyway, IMO, it's almost completely out of the realm of musical instruments that are built to be played.
Tim O'Sullivan
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In the unlikely event of buying one of these guitars, I would play it, gig it, ding it, dent it and use it as a musical instrument. I dont get the idea of buying a guitar and hanging it on a wall!
Big Poppa
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Where is knox? heheheheheheheeee
I think its all about perceived value. You find the same type of fanatics in the antiques industry, of which my mother is a victim. She has told me so much (ad nauseum) about this one Kestner open-mouthed antique bisque doll that goes for about $25K. The difference is that with antique collectors, the perceived value is in the antiquity.
The perceived value in a $25K replica of EVH's first guitar is the attachment to the guitar/rock legend he once was. It's sad to see the perceived value of this guitar among admitted guitar collectors to be so much lower than the asking retail price, and even sadder that none of the proceeds go to charity. It really goes to show something about EVH's perceived value as a rock legend these days.
The perceived value in a $25K replica of EVH's first guitar is the attachment to the guitar/rock legend he once was. It's sad to see the perceived value of this guitar among admitted guitar collectors to be so much lower than the asking retail price, and even sadder that none of the proceeds go to charity. It really goes to show something about EVH's perceived value as a rock legend these days.
Fred E.
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Yeah, I agree with you Tim--I reread my post & did not want to imply that I thought it was a good thing for a guitar to be purchased as a wall hanging. That's why I would never sink money into something like one of these replicas. If I had $25 k set aside for guitar/bass purchases, I would end up with 10 or more really great players.
paranoid70
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I'd be willing to bet that the guy who plunks down $25k for the EVH Frankenstrat is most likely to hang it up in his parlor room rather than play it in hopes of emulating the VH sound. I would be surprised if a musician, even one in VH cover band, would buy one and use it regularly.
Fred E.
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Yeah, I would expect that a guy in a VH cover band would make his own for a couple hundred bucks.
Probably cancelling his recent order I would imagine, as will I be after this thread....
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muggsy
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I'm sure that's right, but a great guitar is both beautiful (if you just want to hang it on the wall and look at it) and useful (if you want to play it). Bottom line, if you've got $25K to spend on wall hangings, and you'd rather buy a artist model relic guitar than a painting, more power to you. I'm not talking about any model in particular, because I've never seen a $25,000 guitar in person, though I did try one of the Jaco relics in GC a few years ago and it felt really nice. Still too rich for my budget, but if I had the cash and the opportunity to buy one, I'd grab a BFR 20th Anniversary SR5 in a heartbeat even though it would spend much more time looking pretty on the wall than it would in my hands. I don't play fivers but that wouldn't stop me.
These days, all of my basses spend most of their time on the wall, but I like seeing them there. I also like being able to take them down once in a while, after the baby's gone to sleep and our new puppy has passed out on the floor. They're all great instruments, and some would say they'd be more useful in the hands of working musicians. I can't argue with that, but I'm not going to apologize for owning and enjoying them, even if my enjoyment has been more visual than musical recently.
Knox is a good friend of mine and a huge EVH and JP fan. I introduced him to EBMM, and Toto/Luke, and he's bought 4 of your guitars to my 2 over the past 2 years alone with plans for more. We both had guitars on order, but I'm cancelling my Luke BFR order and he's already cancelled his. Double standards and back biting are not a pretty site. I've been a vocal advocate of the company for years but am shocked by the rather nasty attitude on display, especially from the owner of a well respected company. Sorry, but goodbye.
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Big Poppa
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Ali
you just went nuts with how we were going to offer the BFR.. You caused great hysteria which turned out false regarding pricing. You never once even sniffed at an apology.
Knox just couldnt accept that the mods and I got to set the standards here. He was banned and it felt good.......... almost as much as putting you in the great purgatory feature here. Find another company that will let you run their design and marketing and knox can run the forum.
you just went nuts with how we were going to offer the BFR.. You caused great hysteria which turned out false regarding pricing. You never once even sniffed at an apology.
Knox just couldnt accept that the mods and I got to set the standards here. He was banned and it felt good.......... almost as much as putting you in the great purgatory feature here. Find another company that will let you run their design and marketing and knox can run the forum.
And I would be quite happy to purchase one despite the inflated import price (which is still 25% of most peoples annual earnings here) because the people that work for you make bloody good guitars. You should be proud of them. However, your attitude, frankly, stinks and I have no intention to be associated with someone that behaves in such a way. It's very much a matter of principal. I won't put my blood, sweat and hard earned money into working towards your product when this is how you treat the people that support you. Whatever your beef with EVH is, it's still double standards to allow threads that slag off him and his products to be psted in the forum, and to contibute and fan the flames on them, but ban anyone that dares to stick up for their hero and remove their posts and threads on the subject. You seem to forget how many people found your company thanks to EVH, and acting like this is doing you, or your staff, no favours. Very bad form. Goodbye.
I wish the people I've met here and had good banter with all the best. It's been fun for a while.
I wish the people I've met here and had good banter with all the best. It's been fun for a while.
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Fred E.
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Damn muggsy--are you me? The only thing you said that wasn't 100% me was that you've played a Jaco relic--I've never seen one in the flesh....and also the fact that my daughter is 29 years old instead of like 29 weeks old & it's 3 dogs sleeping on the floor....anyway you sound just like me--even down to my red point Himalayan cat perching on top of my Ashdown ABM--pretty spooky.
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muggsy
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Hmm. I don't think I'm you Fred, but that is pretty spooky. Unfortunately, the cat in my avatar is no longer with us -- that's Gus. He was my wife's cat when we got married, but we had to put him down a few months ago. We're sticking with dogs from here on out, but I love the pic of Gus with the Ashdown and my Bongo headstock.
Big Poppa
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Here is what I have to deal with. THis is a post on an EVH forum that Knox forwarded to me........
From: Tim Lennox <xxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:22:06
To:[email protected]
Subject: Fwd: EBMM forum
From the biggest Van Halen forum on the net....loads of other forum members complaining about you already!
Expect your precious forum to go down hill fairly rapidly over the coming weeks.
Date: 15 June 2007 19:21:59 BDT
Subject: Re: EBMM forum
Fcuk it, he had it coming to him. Perhaps it'll open a few peoples eyes to him. There are a bunch of the forummembers on one of the VH forums complaining about him deleteing everything that links to EVH and what ungrateful sod he is. Let's face it, without EVH, his company would still be a nobody. Good as they are, who the hell has ever heard of Steve Morse and ALbert Lee outside of that forum. EVH made the company and introduced Luke to them as well after Valley Arts went down the pan. He owes Eddie bigtime, and he bloody well knows it!
Now this is the email he sent me. Comparing me to Hitler. Nice. Does anyone think that this is equal punishment for having restrictions of EVH threads? Hitler?
From: Tim Lennox <txxxxxin.net>
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:15:09
To:[email protected]
Subject:
Finger (gesture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
You show those who support you and purchase your products zero respect.
You know nothing about looking after those who keep your fat arse
above water. Without customers you are worthless as are your
instruments.
You sad bitter little (well actually quite large) man. I've never met
anyone who could be so bitter about the man who made your company.
You certainly won't be anywhere near his funeral. And you'll be one
of the few at that.
Continue acting like a spoilt little child and you'll gradually end
up with no one.
By the end of the week you'll have lost most of your British
forumites and possibly quite a few dealerships in the UK will soon
think twice about stocking your instruments.
Also a hell of a lot of positive support on numerous guitar forums
will soon turn to negative.
Oh and not to mention the sale of about (at the last count) 6 BFRs
ordered in the UK.
Ali and myself will see to all that.
Maybe next time you should think twice about being such a hypocrite
and stop acting your precious little guitar forum is the be all and
end all. You jump on anyone who writes anything you don't want to
read. You are so defensive its unbelievable. Whats the point of your
forum exactly? You can't stand to talk about other products on the
market unless you're slagging them off for your own good. You think
you can just get rid of anyone who dares to stand up for whats
right. A certain German fascist springs to mind and look what
happened to him...
As they say over here.
Cheerio...
PS. Learn to spell as well. Your English is appalling but I wouldn't
expect anything less from an uneducated American.
Take a shot at Americans to finish it off. Anyone who believes these guys...please cancel your orders.
From: Tim Lennox <xxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:22:06
To:[email protected]
Subject: Fwd: EBMM forum
From the biggest Van Halen forum on the net....loads of other forum members complaining about you already!
Expect your precious forum to go down hill fairly rapidly over the coming weeks.
Date: 15 June 2007 19:21:59 BDT
Subject: Re: EBMM forum
Fcuk it, he had it coming to him. Perhaps it'll open a few peoples eyes to him. There are a bunch of the forummembers on one of the VH forums complaining about him deleteing everything that links to EVH and what ungrateful sod he is. Let's face it, without EVH, his company would still be a nobody. Good as they are, who the hell has ever heard of Steve Morse and ALbert Lee outside of that forum. EVH made the company and introduced Luke to them as well after Valley Arts went down the pan. He owes Eddie bigtime, and he bloody well knows it!
Now this is the email he sent me. Comparing me to Hitler. Nice. Does anyone think that this is equal punishment for having restrictions of EVH threads? Hitler?
From: Tim Lennox <txxxxxin.net>
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:15:09
To:[email protected]
Subject:
Finger (gesture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
You show those who support you and purchase your products zero respect.
You know nothing about looking after those who keep your fat arse
above water. Without customers you are worthless as are your
instruments.
You sad bitter little (well actually quite large) man. I've never met
anyone who could be so bitter about the man who made your company.
You certainly won't be anywhere near his funeral. And you'll be one
of the few at that.
Continue acting like a spoilt little child and you'll gradually end
up with no one.
By the end of the week you'll have lost most of your British
forumites and possibly quite a few dealerships in the UK will soon
think twice about stocking your instruments.
Also a hell of a lot of positive support on numerous guitar forums
will soon turn to negative.
Oh and not to mention the sale of about (at the last count) 6 BFRs
ordered in the UK.
Ali and myself will see to all that.
Maybe next time you should think twice about being such a hypocrite
and stop acting your precious little guitar forum is the be all and
end all. You jump on anyone who writes anything you don't want to
read. You are so defensive its unbelievable. Whats the point of your
forum exactly? You can't stand to talk about other products on the
market unless you're slagging them off for your own good. You think
you can just get rid of anyone who dares to stand up for whats
right. A certain German fascist springs to mind and look what
happened to him...
As they say over here.
Cheerio...
PS. Learn to spell as well. Your English is appalling but I wouldn't
expect anything less from an uneducated American.
Take a shot at Americans to finish it off. Anyone who believes these guys...please cancel your orders.
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KennethB
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Unbelievable.......I'm sorry that you have to deal that kind of crap, Sterling.
About the guys that threaten you: F*ck them!
We'll feed them to koogie!
About the guys that threaten you: F*ck them!
We'll feed them to koogie!
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BigTony
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Please do let me assure you, we do not all say Cheerio!
Big Poppa being here makes it so easy for people to take a pop at the head of EB. Most CEO's wouldn't open themselves up for that kind of abuse and usually hide behind thier staff. Nice to see a CEO with a set of balls (no pun intended).
It's incredible what people will do to try and make themselves feel good about themselves. Seems like BP is the first point of call for anyone that has a grievance here, give the guy a frikkin break!
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