MM Replacement Pickups

[FireAarro]

Perhaps an explanation could be put in the faq as to why it's inappropriate to ask for comparisons with other manufacturers' pickups on this forum?

You wouldn't expect to be able to ask questions about, say, Dimarzio's pickups on Seymour Duncan's forum, would you?

I sure they don't mind talking pickups on Fender forums... they sure didn't on the Tele forum.

 

[bovinehost]

1. It's perfectly okay to ask questions about replacement pickups here. However, don't be surprised if someone, perhaps even a company employed person, perhaps a long-time member, perhaps a mod, reminds you that the bills here aren't paid by Seymour or Lane or any of the other perfectly wonderful pickup guys.

2. There are, in fact, other good places on the internet to discuss these pickups in detail. I don't think it's terribly unreasonable to keep this to a minimum here on the Ernie Ball Musicman Forum, you know?

3. If there is some new information to be added to the "this pickup versus that pickup" discussion, I would certainly welcome it.

4. Everyone take a deep breath. We're all on the same side here.

Jack

 

[jongitarz]

Well, not me. I'm from the other side. You know.

 

[cgworkman]

I don't know about you...

**breathing** I'm from the Dark Side **end breathing**

 

[Crazykiwi]

Well with respect, I believe you either set up and maintain a forum because you want people to join and talk or you don't. You take the rough with the smooth (within limits) in regard to subject matter because in the long run you want people to find your site useful.

With the exception of social acceptability, if you start placing conditions on what people can and can't talk about (otherwise falling within the forum rules) then surely you're starting to erode the point of having a forum... ...unless the point of the forum is for people to only talk about Ernie Ball products - which is OBVIOUSLY isn't the case because we're talking preEB stuff as well as postEB stuff.

So... ...all that leaves me feeling extremely confused about the point of the forum, apart from it perhaps being one weapon in the marketing arsenal for EB product.

Alternatively if any of you would like to discuss MM pickup comparisons or any other Stingray matters ad nauseum then you're welcome to do so on the UK-based bass guitar site I moderate. Feel free to mail/PM me for the details.

 

[Mobay45]

I don't see a conflict of interests here.

Just to add my $.02, I don't see why the EBMM staff would have any problem whatsoever with a discussion about replacement pickups on this forum. After all, since EBMM doesn't sell replacement pickups for an EBMM bass, you would have to own one. That seems as if EBMM has already received all of the monetary compensation available to them for the product available. I think it would be unrealistic to believe that all of their products are going to stay stock and I would think this would be the place to possibly find someone who owns a EBMM product to ask their opinions. I do believe that most here will agree that we think the original pickup can't be improved upon, but we would be naive to think that everyone will be happy with the stock parts. I just don't see a practical reason to squelch a discussion on this topic in this forum.

 

[jongitarz]

I don't have a problem with anyone talking about replacement p/ups, but this bickering that has been going on here is getting old.

 

[Crazykiwi]

I don't have a problem with anyone talking about replacement p/ups, but this bickering that has been going on here is getting old.

Um, this is reasoned discussion to me, not bickering. Noone's started a flame war and everyones making ratinal and valid contributions. I don't understand why you're losing patience with it either. If people want to discuss, why not let them? If you're bored with it then I'm sure there are plenty of other topics to look at.

 

[jongitarz]

Did I ever say I was losing patience? No. I am aware that there are other threads to look at, but as a moderator, I look at them all. I you are bored with my coments, I'm sure there are other forums you can look at as well

 

[Crazykiwi]

Did I ever say I was losing patience? No. I am aware that there are other threads to look at, but as a moderator, I look at them all. I you are bored with my coments, I'm sure there are other forums you can look at as well

You don't have to say you're bored for people to infer it, whether they are correct or mistaken in that interpretation. Such is the nature of human interaction, especially via such a limited medium as typed text.

I'm not bored with your comments or this forum either. I appreciate any forum where the validity of views is recognised regardless of whether that concurs with the general consensus or not. The important thing is that they're at least heard so that people can at least make their own minds up

 

[cgworkman]

Well with respect, I believe you either set up and maintain a forum because you want people to join and talk or you don't. You take the rough with the smooth (within limits) in regard to subject matter because in the long run you want people to find your site useful.

I think this is pretty much what Jack (a mod BTW) is saying here:

1. It's perfectly okay to ask questions about replacement pickups here. However, don't be surprised if someone, perhaps even a company employed person, perhaps a long-time member, perhaps a mod, reminds you that the bills here aren't paid by Seymour or Lane or any of the other perfectly wonderful pickup guys.

2. There are, in fact, other good places on the internet to discuss these pickups in detail. I don't think it's terribly unreasonable to keep this to a minimum here on the Ernie Ball Musicman Forum, you know?

3. If there is some new information to be added to the "this pickup versus that pickup" discussion, I would certainly welcome it.

4. Everyone take a deep breath. We're all on the same side here.

Jack

What else needs to be said?

Apparently, I offended you by saying in one of my earlier postings "to drop it." No offense was intended. My point was then, and still is, it's an old subject. One that's been talked about many, many times. If you want to read up on replacement pup's, martinis, bib boobs, or countless other 'everyday' topics I suggest you search.

 

[Crazykiwi]

Apparently, I offended you by saying in one of my earlier postings "to drop it." No offense was intended. My point was then, and still is, it's an old subject. One that's been talked about many, many times. If you want to read up on replacement pup's, martinis, bib boobs, or countless other 'everyday' topics I suggest you search.

No you didn't offend me, but thanks for the consideration However my original contribution was to help another member out. I'm new here and I have experience with AB testing some of the pickups asked about. So thanks, but I don't need to search the other threads. I was just trying to be helpful and offer up my experience.

My concern was primarily that if threads are deemed 'too old' then essentially it would discourage new or particularly helpful members such as myself from making valid contributions to the site and helping others out.

 

[oldbluebassman]

With my marketing hat on I'm going to put some general thoughts into this thread as it seems to have touched a few raw nerves.

Most people see this Forum as a place where users can discuss matters of common interest, however as EB funds it, I would hope that they also see it as a marketing tool where they can monitor user comments and take them into consideration when planning future strategy. If they don't then they are missing a trick but I'm sure that is not the case. You just have to look at who's been posting recently.

To say that something is perfect and cannot be bettered is very head-in-the-sand. Nothing is perfect, not even an MM bass. That attitude has been the downfall of some quite big companies over the years.

If MM users feel the need to change parts of their instrument to customise it then that is their perogative, however if I were EB then I would want to know what they are doing and more importantly why? I'd want to know "What improvements does it bring over the stock instrument" and then think about "How many more could we sell if ......."

I suggest that stifling relevant open debate severely restricts useful market feedback to the factory and just because a topic was visited six months ago doesn't mean that it is dead and buried.

Time moves on and so do the competitors.

 

[Mobay45]

With my marketing hat on I'm going to put some general thoughts into this thread as it seems to have touched a few raw nerves.

Most people see this Forum as a place where users can discuss matters of common interest, however as EB funds it, I would hope that they also see it as a marketing tool where they can monitor user comments and take them into consideration when planning future strategy. If they don't then they are missing a trick but I'm sure that is not the case. You just have to look at who's been posting recently.

To say that something is perfect and cannot be bettered is very head-in-the-sand. Nothing is perfect, not even an MM bass. That attitude has been the downfall of some quite big companies over the years.

If MM users feel the need to change parts of their instrument to customise it then that is their perogative, however if I were EB then I would want to know what they are doing and more importantly why? I'd want to know "What improvements does it bring over the stock instrument" and then think about "How many more could we sell if ......."

I suggest that stifling relevant open debate severely restricts useful market feedback to the factory and just because a topic was visited six months ago doesn't mean that it is dead and buried.

Time moves on and so do the competitors.

Well said. +1

 

[JB1]

I stayed away from this one cos I knew what it was about and saw how many posts on it.

BUT - Dave, right on the nail mate.

 

[Bassplyr]

Good comment Dave.

 

[bovinehost]

"Help! Help! I'm being repressed!"



My Monty Python moment of the day, nothing more.

Do carry on.

 

[jongitarz]

I suggest that stifling relevant open debate severely restricts useful market feedback to the factory and just because a topic was visited six months ago doesn't mean that it is dead and buried.

Time moves on and so do the competitors.[/QUOTE]

Am I missing something here? Is someone from the company stifling this thread?

 

[The Rodg]

"Help! Help! I'm being repressed!"



My Monty Python moment of the day, nothing more.

Do carry on.

"None Shall Pass!"

 

[Crazykiwi]

"TIM: He's got huge, sharp-- he can leap about-- look at the bones!"