Ohio calling..........

[cgworkman]

While I voted for Bush, it was a small margin that separated Kerry and Bush IMO. It's like 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. Like Jack said earlier, WHY CAN'T WE HAVE BETTER CHOICES?!? After much consideration, there were only a few issues that put Bush on my ballot. Otherwise, I would have voted Kerry.

Having said that...

I hate with a passion Republicans. More than that, I hate Democrats. More than that, I hate Republicans. More than that, I hate Democrats. More than that, I hate Republicans. More than that, I hate Democrats. More than that, I hate Republicans. More than that, I hate Democrats. More than that, I hate Republicans. More than that, I hate Democrats. More than that, I hate Republicans. More than that, I hate Democrats. More than that, I hate Republicans. More than that, I hate Democrats. More than that, I hate Republicans. More than that, I hate Democrats. More than that, I hate Republicans. More than that, I hate Democrats. More than that, I hate Republicans. More than that, I hate Democrats. More than that, I hate Republicans. More than that, I hate Democrats. More than that, I hate Republicans. More than that, I hate Democrats. More than that, I hate Republicans. More than that, I hate Democrats. More than that, I hate Republicans. More than that, I hate Democrats. More than that, I hate Republicans. More than that, I hate Democrats. More than that, I hate Republicans.More than that, I hate Democrats. More than that, I hate Republicans.......

I think you get my point. I feel the idea of a "political party" is one of the biggest political problems this country has.

(Oh yeah, I hate those Libertarian m*****f****r's too!)

 

[jongitarz]

I voted for George W. Bush

I'm not a Red Neck

I'm not Stupid

I am Educated

I want what is best for America

You may not agree with my views but I'm tired of hearing how half of the country is "sooo stupid" for voting for Bush. Grow the Hell up.

Andrew[/QUOTE]


Well said Andrew...Lets move on and stop the B.S.!

 

[Mantaray]

. I feel the idea of a "political party" is one of the biggest political problems this country has.

You know that what you say is impossible. To say utopistic the least.
Political parties always were and always will be. See 'interest groups'....

 

[cgworkman]

You know that what you say is impossible. To say utopistic the least.
Political parties always were and always will be. See 'interest groups'....

And your point is? Anyone having the slightest understanding of politics, or the world for that matter, knows this. Democrats vs Republicans, Black vs White, Men vs Woman, it's all the same thing.... A huge waste of time and effort.

 

[Mantaray]

And your point is? Anyone having the slightest understanding of politics, or the world for that matter, know that. Democrats vs Republicans, Black vs White, Men vs Woman, it's all the same thing.... A huge waste of time and effort.

Well then I just can't understand what do you mean by saying that the idea of a political party is the biggest problem in america.

 

[cgworkman]

Well then I just can't understand what do you mean by saying that the idea of a political party is the biggest problem in america.

What I'm saying is:

There's a terrible amount of strife between political parties. Democrats sabotage Republican bills, etc. Republicans do the same to the Democrats. These past two campaigns are the perfect example. There was so much mud slinging from both sides it was sick. At many times it appeared the "Party" was more important than our country. Can't anyone run for public office without all the freakin' drama?!? Republicans hate Democrats and vice versa... Why?? If this is what political parties have come to mean, then what really is the point? Great bills that could do wonderful things for our country are gutted by one party or the other because it's not good for "The Party." WTF?? And you say you don't understand what my point is? Like I said, just look at the last two elections. The final GOP and DNC candidates for president did nothing for the last year but try their best to mame and destroy the lives and reputations of the "other party's" choice. And that's best for us, the little people??

I say, get back to the whole "We the people..." mentality - not this donkey/elephant crap.....

 

[cheezewiz]

All of you threatening to leave, ...Don't let the door hit ya in the ass!

 

[MingusBASS]

My thoughts exactly Cheezewiz!

Andrew

 

[Bassplyr]

What I'm saying is:

There's a terrible amount of strife between political parties. Democrats sabotage Republican bills, etc. Republicans do the same to the Democrats. These past two campaigns are the perfect example. There was so much mud slinging from both sides it was sick. At many times it appeared the "Party" was more important than our country. Can't anyone run for public office without all the freakin' drama?!? Republicans hate Democrats and vice versa... Why?? If this is what political parties have come to mean, then what really is the point? Great bills that could do wonderful things for our country are gutted by one party or the other because it's not good for "The Party." WTF?? And you say you don't understand what my point is? Like I said, just look at the last two elections. The final GOP and DNC candidates for president did nothing for the last year but try their best to mame and destroy the lives and reputations of the "other party's" choice. And that's best for us, the little people??

I say, get back to the whole "We the people..." mentality - not this donkey/elephant crap.....

I absolutely agree. Now on to more bass talk!

 

[dwf1004]

Here is where we discuss Music Man Basses:
http://www.ernieball.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=9

Here is where we discuss Music Man Guitars:
http://www.ernieball.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=10

Right HERE is where we talk about anything that's going on in the world. If you don't want to read about it, then don't read it. No one's forcing you to...

With that, Bassplyr advises "4 more years of..." etc., essentially buying into the "more of the same" mantra that Kerry was selling. Fact of the matter is that there will be some changes in the Cabinet and the Bush administration. Any clear thinking person will tell you that there were mistakes and the like made in Iraq, at home, and so on. GWB has recognized this and is planning to shake up the Cabinet. Ashcroft, everyone's favorite, is expected to MS Word his resignation in the next few weeks because of health issues (he had pancreatitis earlier this year). I hope that he brings in someone just as tough. Condoleeza Rice may be on her way out to pursue her "other" goal of being the next NFL commissioner. Rumsfeld will either get tossed or have his powers and say at the Pentagon/DoD diminished, and someone who will run the war and related more effectively will take over (I'd place my bet on Schwarzkopf -- sp?). And Colin Powell, unless Bush can persuade him, will be rolling out, since he vowed to only serve one term as Sec. of State (I'd also put money on him suiting up in green again to take over the Pentagon/DoD) With these changes in place, we will see a turnaround; not overnight, as before, but things will get better.

As far as parties are concerned, I'm not a party "fanatic". I registered as a Republican at the age of 18 simply because that's my family history, and I was not as versed in politicas as I am now. In fact, if I thought that Kerry was the better man for the job, you can bet that I would have voted for him. However, Kerry seemed too distant to me, and he seemed to carry a lot of his views WAY too close to the far left than I would have liked. Bush may not be the most versed person as Kerry is, but does that take away from his leadership qualities? Not in my eyes, it shows that he is our leader, but he is a normal guy. Look at Kerry in his attempt to gain ground with the Midwesterners, donning a hunting outfit and blowing a goose away. I shook my head when I saw that...Bush is at home in that scenario. He's from Texas, 'nuff said.

Yes, he has made mistakes, and he will continue to do so, though one would hope not as bad as has been in the past, but as Jesus said in the Bible, "let he who is without sin cast the first stone". We're ALL human (though the jury's still out on me LOL!), and we WILL f*ck up in varying magnitudes. It's the only way we learn; I think he and his admin. has learned. I think that he also wants a legacy, aside from what's unfolded to this point, and he and his administration will do what is necessary to make that happen. Getting the Florida cloud to dissipate from over him by winning the popular AND electoral vote handily and without issue is a good start.

Bills are sabotaged by EITHER party for one of two reasons: one, because there is so much extra pork in a good bill that one side will knock it down to avoid having to pay so much extra than needed. Two, because the other side wants to take credit for it, and they will keep knocing it down until they can rewrite it good enough to pass, and they can take the credit for it. Here's a prime example of the first reason: Prop. 400 here in Arizona for a continuation of a 1/2 cent tax for freeway builds/improvement, arterial street improvements, adding more bus routes, and more bus pulloffs (so that they're not sitting in the right lane at bus stops). Good idea, and you'd vote for it too, right? What got thrown into it was a $2.3 billion charter for a light rail system to run through downtown Phoenix and/to surrounding cities (Tempe, Scottsdale, Mesa, Glendale, etc.) The system that they propose was not well guarded for financial audits, and to top it off was the fact that this light rail system runs at 15mph! 10 miles from downtown Phoenix to downtown Tempe, 10 mph, you do the math...how effective is that?!?! I think it would have been better to model something after Disneyland, and more practical, Seattle and Las Vegas, who have aerial monorails. Monorails move at 30-35 mph, are suspended 25-30 feet in the air to prevent intersection blocking, etc. and IMO, more practical for the money spent. In the end, I voted no event though I'd like to see the tax go on for the freeways (I live and die by them here), but I was in the minority for that issue. So, now I pay for something that I didn't want. It's how the game goes, but still doesn't mean that I have to like it.

With that, I'll stop blabbing now, though everyone seems to like my takes on things. I nuver tought I wuz dat sMart! You can surprise yourself sometimes, though... If anything, I hope that, if I can persuade you all of ANYTHING, do your homework on something in life, love, and politics just as you would about your guitars, basses, amps, and so on. You wouldn't make your decision just by going with the status quo, would you (obviously NOT, after all, you went with EBMM, right? ) Study up on something that could affect your life in any way...and if you're not up to speed, get there. Otherwise, I don't want to hear about something (not just this thread, but in general) that you're not happy with and have no clue about what it's about. The majority of this world is free, and you have tons of resources out there to get you caught up with the world, starting with my mother of all resources, Google. Live it, love it, learn about it...

God Bless all of my fellow EBMM'ers, and thanks for reading my book. I'll even sign it for you below this.

 

[Warg Master]

YAY!

Wait, do I have to read all that? I'm tired....

Andrew: thank you. It's amazing what kind of discussions you can have when your opinion is educated and well-informed, unlike a certain person above.

I REALLY hope you weren't referring to me.

I'm sick of all the politics and am glad for this whole thing to be over, I didn't feel like getting into it this time, I have time and time again elsewhere, and it makes me tired. It's over, and I'm glad, but I still feel the way I do about the president... that is my perogative, it's also my perogative not to seem very "educated" about it with my comment. I really couldn't care less, I know how well educated I am on the subject, but I really am done with the debating about weather he is right for the country or not. The election is over and he won, nothing more can be done about it, nothing can be said by either side to change what is.

Perhaps you might thing: "well, if you don't want to get into it, don't post"

No. No, I don't think so. I still wanted to express how I felt about it, just not in so many words.

If your statement wasn't referring to me, then forget I said anything...


I'm tired....

 

[Warg Master]

My biggest problem with the elections this time around is not actually with the presidential election, but some of the individual states and their amendments... I'm not sure if this was mentioned before as I have only skimmed the last 5 pages, but 11 states voted to define marrige, in effect banning marriage for gays.

WHY?

Why do people care so much? Why is it ANY of their business in the first place? WHHHYYY?? It doesn't hurt you, you don't have to attend the ceremony, so, WHY?

Why not mind your own ****ing business?

I've heard a take where people wanted it banned as they put it "What do they want next? the right do adopt?" Why the **** not? "Because, wyou wouldn't want a child to be subject to that environment"

Oh, really?

God forbid a child to be brought up in an evironment where their parents love each other. God forbid a child grow up thinking that it's ok for people to be gay if they want.


Ugh... I just don't understand why people think they need yo control other people's lives who lead different ones from them.

Anyone ever hear of tolerance??

 

[dwf1004]

Warg, after researching that remark (because the reply did not list my " ") I ain't comin' at you, you're family. That was a general comment, and just being sarcastic in regards to me posting my chapter, and your small response in return (hell, ANYONE'S posts are smaller than mine! ) If you took it as directed at you in a derogatory or rude way, my bad bro, as that was not the intention.

It's amazing how much emotion/meaning can be removed by text.

In fact, for everyone's record, if I want to call someone out, you WILL know it. I usually only do things of that nature for the sake of control on the board/threads, and people that need to be knocked around to get back into line (I submit the Wolfgang wacko and the dude that called me a fascist as examples). Otherwise, and you know as well as I do that I'm a smart ass all the time...NEVER take that seriously. If you're concerned about something I've said or HOW it's said, I can be PM'ed or emailed via the board for clarification...call me on it. The only people that I yipe at, or make a direct comment to are the misguided folks who think this is the bass/guitar forum. Wrong turn, folks.

Being an overall pr*ck would not be good for me to do so as a moderator on this board and an "unofficial" representative of Ernie Ball/Music Man. More importantly, it would not be good for me to do so to my friends on the board.

Warg, as before, I can't change your mind on your feelings towards GWB, and again, we agree to disagree. This is America; you have that right, and I respect that. As long as you see it the same way in my direction, all is good, cool bro?

The gay marriage issue...no. I'll spare you guys for the night; chapter 3 may come tomorrow, but I'm beat, and I'll use up all of the letters left on the board.

 

[Warg Master]

Warg, as before, I can't change your mind on your feelings towards GWB, and again, we agree to disagree. This is America; you have that right, and I respect that. As long as you see it the same way in my direction, all is good, cool bro?

If I don't agree with anything else you say p), I'll agree with that. I'm amazed people still exist with that attitude... I think I've been in Utah for too long.....

Maybe I over reacted a little bit, as I stated I'm tired.

But I can't sleep and then I ramble... I can feel it starting now... the rambling... I'm stopping now...

 

[MingusBASS]

If Politics upsets you so much you should really do yourself a favor and stop reading political topics. Since neither Kerry or Bush support Gay marriage it wasn't much of an issue in the Presidential election. I belive in the right of the states to choose what they want and don't want. The majority of the country does not want gay marriage.
Weither you agree with that or not it's the state of the nation so far.

Andrew

 

[cgworkman]

Bills are sabotaged by EITHER party for one of two reasons: one, because there is so much extra pork in a good bill that one side will knock it down to avoid having to pay so much extra than needed. Two, because the other side wants to take credit for it, and they will keep knocing it down until they can rewrite it good enough to pass, and they can take the credit for it.

Well said!!

That is EXACTLY what I'm saying. To much competition for the sake of the "Party", not for The People.

 

[cgworkman]

All of you threatening to leave, ...Don't let the door hit ya in the ass!

AMEN!!!!!!!!

 

[Warg Master]

If Politics upsets you so much you should really do yourself a favor and stop reading political topics.

Who said they upset me much? As derrel said eirlier, emotion is hard to read in text. Maybe I did use a little "emotion" when I typed my message, but so what? isn't it my right to choose weather or not I read it?

 

[MingusBASS]

It just seemed like you were complaining about us talking about politics. Just because you have the right to complain does not mean you should.

Andrew

 

[Warg Master]

It just seemed like you were complaining about us talking about politics. Just because you have the right to complain does not mean you should.

Andrew

I wasn't complaining about the discussion of politics. If I had a problem with it I would have stayed away from the thred.