Openening order day!! 19 mm string spacing!

[2ndBassGuitar]

Hijack...lets stay on topic...obn second thought how about those yankees?

Jeter is over rated. His 3000 hits were all a fluke. ;-)

 

[joebone]

Well said Sterling. This is the same for all businesses - especially when you make a product that people are passionate about and use it for their work or as a hobby.

I am in the beer business - I work for MillerCoors. The Beer Geeks think everything we do (pretty much) sucks and our beer is garbage. I've said before here somewhere, and you've done so eloquently below - the high end doesn't exist without the low end (or velocity sellers), and you don't pay the rent with the boutique stuff.

Miller Lite and Coors Light pay the bills - as does Milwaukee's Best and Keystone, et. al. Yes, we make Blue Moon, Henry Weinhard, and Leinie's, etc. And, they are great - and make a nice margin - but they won't keep the lights on.

Most 'fans' forget that their hobby (passion - for most, some professionals) is a business for the company.

I've followed these threads and discussions with much interest because very few understand the what the real issues are - it's not about 19mm spacing or delivering what the marketplace wants. It's about production / capacity planning and portfolio management.

Well, from the consumer end I'd have to disagree, both as to basses and beer. It's about whether you sell something I want, at a price I consider reasonable relative to alternatives. Your typical Miller-swiller could not care a rat's fazooti about Miller's
production, capacity planning and portfolio management...and if Miller isn't making a product that folks want to drink, then all of that planning is gonna go down the tubes. So maybe that's what it's about from the company side, but even then I don't think a company is gonna succeed without some passion for the product itself. This particularly applies to a company producing musical instruments, which users select for some number of ergonomic and emotional reasons, toward the goal of realizing musical/emotional impulses.

Gotta say that hopping onto this EBBM website has been enlightening, to see that the company is taking care of business but also taking the time to share the passion and interest of its customers.

 

[metalarch]

Well, from the consumer end I'd have to disagree, both as to basses and beer. It's about whether you sell something I want, at a price I consider reasonable relative to alternatives. Your typical Miller-swiller could not care a rat's fazooti about Miller's
production, capacity planning and portfolio management...and if Miller isn't making a product that folks want to drink, then all of that planning is gonna go down the tubes. So maybe that's what it's about from the company side, but even then I don't think a company is gonna succeed without some passion for the product itself. This particularly applies to a company producing musical instruments, which users select for some number of ergonomic and emotional reasons, toward the goal of realizing musical/emotional impulses.

Gotta say that hopping onto this EBBM website has been enlightening, to see that the company is taking care of business but also taking the time to share the passion and interest of its customers.

Well said!

 

[Freddels]

Hijack...lets stay on topic...obn second thought how about those yankees?

Yankees?? RED SOX!!!!!

I'll give Jeter his due though. That was quite an accomplishment and I will say that he has always been a class act. Now, back to RED SOX!!!

 

[Big Poppa]

Joe what you are missing is that die hard beer guys dont drive the market. They think that since they drink Stone Brewery for example....that if you like beer that you should be drinking stone because thats what you like and you are enlightened as a beer drinker. Is Mc Donalds the best burger? Im a foodie and wouldnt eat one....

WE arent trying to be mc donalds but also arent tring to be super boutique...Super Boutique does not pay.

 

[DTG]

Oh man give me a Wendy's anyway

Where in the name of all things 19mm is the thread going

 

[BigOldHarry]

I can dig it. As a long-time TB'er, it does appear that a twist on the pareto rule is very much in play... A few bad apples, so to speak. It's a shame that they've left a bad taste in your mouth, since there is crazy big love for EBMM on TB.

No matter - if this thing doesn't happen, I'll get my $$ back and continue my search. I've resorted to going back to 4 string for the time being, at least with this band that's making me slap a whole bunch. So it goes.

Joe and Harry....I cant possibly bring myself to send anything over there. I never read it but some was relayed to me and I know that the entire talk bass is probably great..but...it was so uncalled for and over the top.

Does anybody think some of these attackers were punkd? THey actually had a chance to put up......

 

[joebone]

Joe what you are missing is that die hard beer guys dont drive the market. They think that since they drink Stone Brewery for example....that if you like beer that you should be drinking stone because thats what you like and you are enlightened as a beer drinker. Is Mc Donalds the best burger? Im a foodie and wouldnt eat one....

WE arent trying to be mc donalds but also arent tring to be super boutique...Super Boutique does not pay.

Actually, I did have big beer in mind, but was thinking about Miller competing with Bud, competing with Coors, but also competing with the smaller guys nibbling at the periphery of the market...and if you get enough of those little guys together, perhaps you get to a material effect?

One thing for sure...true demand for a 19mm SR5 does not seem to be rising to a level that could be deemed "material!"

I thought about potential analogies between EBBM and the car or beer industries, but have decided to leave that alone. Whatever niche you identify as yours, may you own it!

 

[cybersnyder]

BTW Albert Lee sounded pretty good picking on his Music Man guitar last night up here at our local music festival!

A few weeks ago at Guitar Center a sales guy was playing a rosewood neck Albert Lee dual humbucker model. The sound was amazing. Several other guitarists stopped what they were doing and came over to find out who was playing what. Magical guitar!

 

[joebone]

Well, it's the original deadline date, and if I have this right, EBBM has a whopping 7 orders.

Dead, dead dead?

 

[lorino]

Well, that said, you actually do agree with me. I was simplifying from an operations stand point. You say "it's about whether you sell something I want, at a price I consider reasonable relative to alternatives." Exactly, but it's not about you singularly, its about the market as a whole. And you are correct, the consumer could care or less about our planning (never said they did). Trust me, there is plenty of Passion for Beer (it's one of our stated core values and is lived everyday).

I think I can summarize in saying - the 19mm spacing 5 string is like a high end craft beer - it's great from a product standpoint, but expensive to make with a limited market.

Lastly, you mentioned the Craft Brewers 'teaming up' to compete. Well, let's disregard that its illegal, but you are focusing on the wrong thing - it's not that the competition is stomping on the Craft Brewers, its the market. It's not big enough (that's what she said). There are not enough high end craft drinkers to support high volume production. Additionally, its all about the channel of distribution. Think of this as a whole, and you can understand why 'custom shop' and/or any products special hand made editions are extremely expensive.

One more thing, I am continually amazed by the production process. I used to work in the automotive industry and was always floored that after all those people touched and put in parts that a car would actually start (most of the time!). And, its done at a reasonable price - considering all the moving parts, research, engineering, etc. that goes into any product.

Well, from the consumer end I'd have to disagree, both as to basses and beer. It's about whether you sell something I want, at a price I consider reasonable relative to alternatives. Your typical Miller-swiller could not care a rat's fazooti about Miller's
production, capacity planning and portfolio management...and if Miller isn't making a product that folks want to drink, then all of that planning is gonna go down the tubes. So maybe that's what it's about from the company side, but even then I don't think a company is gonna succeed without some passion for the product itself. This particularly applies to a company producing musical instruments, which users select for some number of ergonomic and emotional reasons, toward the goal of realizing musical/emotional impulses.

Gotta say that hopping onto this EBBM website has been enlightening, to see that the company is taking care of business but also taking the time to share the passion and interest of its customers.

 

[joebone]

Well, the plug has been pulled. Given the lack of orders, I can't fault EBBM for doing so.

Thanks to all who dealt with this situation in good faith.

Now, back to our regularly scheduled program...

 

[BigOldHarry]

Well, it does seem to have failed. So it goes. I'll get my $$ back. On TB there is a disturbing amount of dancing for joy going on. I do NOT get all the negativity. I just don't.

 

[rizzo9247]

Well, gotta love the keyboard warriors...I just hang around the amp forum for good reason...

 

[Big Poppa]

Well....Thats why Im not there.

I started by saying there wasnt enough demand. They said I was wrong. I offered it...lowered the price....extended the deadline....took crap....offered to donate 100% of the proceeds to charity and the jumping gleesters sat on their wallet. Took more crap.

Now you guys that have been reasonable and nice will just have to wait for a rock star to demand it...I have been waiting 24 years and none have yet.

 

[joebone]

Well, gotta love the keyboard warriors...I just hang around the amp forum for good reason...

It just dawned on my that you refer to the computer keyboard...I kept wondering why you and others were so down on the piano man!

 

[joebone]

Well....Thats why Im not there.

I started by saying there wasnt enough demand. They said I was wrong. I offered it...lowered the price....extended the deadline....took crap....offered to donate 100% of the proceeds to charity and the jumping gleesters sat on their wallet. Took more crap.

Now you guys that have been reasonable and nice will just have to wait for a rock star to demand it...I have been waiting 24 years and none have yet.

Yeah, how 'bout those jumping gleesters!

What result if a JAZZ star seeks fulfillment of the 19mm dream?

Anyhow, thanks for all. In the words of Michael Brecker: "Itsbynne Reel"

 

[DTG]

Nasty people are just nasty no matter where they are. After my last visit to tb I was pretty much put off ever going back there, life is too short for that kind of stupidity.

 

[iamcatwarrior]

Wait a minute -- let me get this straight: First they tell you (BP) how to run your company, then you offer them what they want, then they don't pony up for it, then they cheer when you "fail"?

Maybe they should change the name of that website from "TalkBass" to "TalkSh**". For future reference, please do not feed the trolls.

 

[Darth Tater]

Two things killed this project:

1) Lack of options.
2) Dealers were not involved.

With such a tiny window for orders, and relying of word of mouth to get people to buy a black bass it was doomed from the start. Well at least you tried. Music Man does what Music Man does, no real reason to change. There are plenty of other companies who offer 19mm 5ers for those of us who want them.