Off Topic Question about so-called "Feel Players"

[ScoobySteve]

No flame here, I'm just assuming that me and tm are just polar opposites when it comes to our interpretation of music.

Neverdid I state that music was all emotional visceral, I stated that there was more to music than the structure behind it. I'm originally a classically trained pianist and trumpet player, before guitarist, no need for the flame there. I've also never stated I was a bluesman. (Which is the ironic part about this whole thing) I'm not, my position regarding this whole discussion has been the blatant flaming of one genre of music. While you said you did not mean to be discourteous, I accept and respect that, but you'll understand if a lot of people felt you did, with your terse and almost disrespectful tone regarding lots of players. While I don't mean to judge you directly, but you certainly could have stated things more diplomatically, as could have I.
Like I stated before, saying "Blues ain't my cup of tea" is not the same as "Same repetitive 3 chord garbage for years."

I'll learn to interpret your diction as passion opposed to abrasiveness, it's the least I can do. This is the internet after all, and I've never met you. Agree to disagree, I can most certainly do that.

My name is Steve, nice to meet you, welcome to the forums, stick around and I'll see you around the boards.

 

[Jimmyb]

I don't like beetroot.

It has no point to me, anyone that likes beetroot only says they do in order to hide the fact that they are unable to make a souffle'.

 

[Blind Lemon]

YAWN!!!!!!!!!!!! I did read some of this thread , promise.

 

[Jimmyb]

are these the dying gasps of an aging generation? dave gilmour is fat and balding now...

Right......

And how does this affect his playing ability?

floyd is irrelevant...influential but more on a subconscious level, absorbed through osmosis more than anything...filtered down through each successive phase of music.

No, they are directly influential on a huge number of artists.

jeff beck keeps dying his hair...

Oh no! You can't be a good player if you dye your hair? Maybe that's why the 80's were so bad!

the stones have to be rolled out in wheelchairs...

You're expecting us to take you seriously now aren't you?

in a way, i'm glad john lennon is dead, because it prevents a beatles reunion tour from ever happening.

Regardless of what your intentions were, this is completely out of order.

the beatles have cemented their legacy as greatest band ever now, without ruining it by some 2010 album...i can just picture mccartney singing with autotune, and a bevy of half-naked harlots behind him in the video. the past is history...

Doesn't Paul McCartney still sing? Or are you saying that he shouldn't be allowed to?

Why would he have a 'bevy of half-naked harlots behind him'?

The past is indeed history and you learn from it don't you?

 

[Dizzy]

OK, enough of trying to fit the whole dictionary into each and every one of your posts tm........ sheesh, and you reckon 1-4-5 progressions are monotonous !!!

I happen to agree that one or two of the players you've mentioned are over-rated - but still respect them for what they have achieved and contributed to music........ they definitely deserve it.


Just for something different, (and I know it doesn't really prove anything, but) how about posting a vid of you playing some really technical stuff to give a different perspective on how superior or innovative it is to some of the 'over-rated' players' styles you've mentioned ?

 

[Jimmyb]

Just for something different, (and I know it doesn't really prove anything, but) how about posting a vid of you playing some really technical stuff to give a different perspective on how superior it is to some of the 'over-rated' players' styles you've mentioned ?

+1

I think it's time you gave some lessons. With any luck, someone would be able to send them on to the likes of Gilmour, Clapton etc. I'm sure they'd welcome them.

 

[D.K.]

Oh tm21, man, come on, as long as it was just opinion vs. opinion it was all great, but now it's getting ridiculous. Let's just get back to that in 6-7 years, shall we?

And, just for the record, although I'm in no way a blues fan, I happen to have a university degree in musical sciences (musicology), so stating that blues music (not just the standard pattern) is 1-4-5 is wrong. There are many guys that GREATLY deviate from that scheme, and even in the basic 1-4-5 pattern it can get pretty diverse in terms of harmonic. So stamping today's blues music as a plain 1-4-5 is, indeed, not pejorative, it's called ignorance.

But, again, knowing all this and learning all the scales and all have NOTHING to do with how much HEART, SOUL, and FEEL (yes, FEEL) You can bring into Your music - and that's what we all have our personal thoughts and opinions about, which is great.

BTW, Your thread has again shown me, how dear a thing music is for being so personal - so thanks for that!!!

 

[Jimmyb]

The interesting thing, is that the OP mainly plays metal, rock and blues, which makes me wonder why, if he hates it so much...

 

[Dizzy]

The interesting thing, is that the OP mainly plays metal, rock and blues, which makes me wonder why, if he hates it so much...

LMAO - sprung !!!

And just to make sure it doesn't get edited :

hey nomad, how would u say those 2003 pickups compare to the current pickups (i play mainly metal, rock and blues)......

 

[tm21]

how about you post a vid of you playing with feel? lets see if you can make tears of joy run down my face by sliding into d and bending up to e on the high e string. i never said i personally am better than anybody mentioned in this thread. dont try to personalize this. we're talking about a genre of music.

its interesting how people who hold contrary opinions are treated on this board...

 

[tm21]

oooh you've caught me in such a trap! what am i to do???

you're right, i started out playing blues. then progressed to metal. i still noodle the pentatonic scale over some hendrix from time to time.

 

[tm21]

maybe i should sift through your nearly 2500 posts and find something to catch you on....on second thought, i'd rather not.

 

[Jimmyb]

how about you post a vid of you playing with feel? lets see if you can make tears of joy run down my face by sliding into d and bending up to e on the high e string. i never said i personally am better than anybody mentioned in this thread. dont try to personalize this. we're talking about a genre of music.

its interesting how people who hold contrary opinions are treated on this board...

Well, Dizzy has posted a few times with vid's, so have a look around.

Here's the thing...

You state as fact (not your opinion) remarks such as:

'i don't understand how bb king hasn't died of boredom yet. perhaps its the steady paychecks that keep him going. he's punching the clock just like the rest of us mere mortals. there is a stunning lack of curiosity about music inherent in the blues. i think thats why almost every kid starts out playing the blues then moves on to jazz or metal, or something more interesting.'

Then, when you get called on it, or people dare to disagree, you hide behind the remark of:

'its interesting how people who hold contrary opinions are treated on this board... '

People started off replying to the thread with the attitude that they disagreed, but everyone was entitled to their opinion. For some reason, you seem to want to carry on flogging the dead horse.

You don't like some types of music.

Fine.

Get over it.

 

[tm21]

everything i wrote has been clearly stated as OPINION. hence the use of I-statements. "I dont understand", "It seems to me", "I think" etc...you just dont like what i have to say.

this thread went on for like five pages before i chimed in last night. if people want to criticize my opinion, i'm entitled to defend it. if you don't like what i wrote, then you have the option to not post in this thread. so maybe you should get over it?

its also funny how i'm accused of being overly verbose and scoobysteve isnt. but i guess thats just because you agree with his OPINION and not mine.

 

[Purple ASS]

Hmm...time to change my colostomy bag I. I think it's full of S.............ummertime, and the livin is easy......

 

[Jimmyb]

all blues solos sound the same...there i said it. pentatonics, bending, heavy vibrato...whoop-dee-doo! i think there was a quote from yngwie, i'm paraphrasing here, but he said he developed his style to escape "the incestuous nature of blues-rock"...every player comes out sounding alike, because theres only so much you can do with a five note scale. all the licks are recycled and then re-recycled. a lot has been done with the pentatonic scale, yes....but i think its pretty much been milked for all its worth.

Where do you say this is your opinion?

are these the dying gasps of an aging generation? dave gilmour is fat and balding now...floyd is irrelevant...influential but more on a subconscious level, absorbed through osmosis more than anything...filtered down through each successive phase of music. jeff beck keeps dying his hair...the stones have to be rolled out in wheelchairs...in a way, i'm glad john lennon is dead, because it prevents a beatles reunion tour from ever happening. the beatles have cemented their legacy as greatest band ever now, without ruining it by some 2010 album...i can just picture mccartney singing with autotune, and a bevy of half-naked harlots behind him in the video. the past is history...

Where do you say this is your opinion?

everything i wrote has been clearly stated as OPINION. hence the use of I-statements. "I dont understand", "It seems to me", "I think" etc...you just dont like what i have to say.

Not really true is it, although I'd imagine you may try to alter those posts as well...

this thread went on for like five pages before i chimed in last night. if people want to criticize my opinion, i'm entitled to defend it. if you don't like what i wrote, then you have the option to not post in this thread. so maybe you should get over it?

Actually, of the 7 pages so far, you've posted on every one apart from page 4. Unless you edit those out...

its also funny how i'm accused of being overly verbose and scoobysteve isnt. but i guess thats just because you agree with his OPINION and not mine.

Perhaps it's because Steve seems more open to other stylkes of music...

 

[tm21]

if you dont grasp that all of those posts are based upon opinion, that this entire thread is based on opinion, then you've totally missed the point. saying that the blues is redundant, is NOT like saying the grass is green. are you that daft?

 

[Dizzy]

its interesting how people who hold contrary opinions are treated on this board...

Dude, it's NOT your opinion that's causing you grief - it's the way it's so arrogantly delivered.

And BTW, don't flatter yourself - no-one has sifted through any of your posts looking to dig up dirt.
You've started 3 threads on the first page of the forum, it's current reading !

And yeah, I have nearly 2500 posts (over 3 yrs) - the vast majority of which have taken the piss out of individuals such as you........ oh, and lefties of course.

 

[tm21]

from the posts you extracted:

"but i THINK its pretty much been milked for all its worth"
"in a way, I'M glad john lennon is dead"
"I CAN JUST PICTURE mccartney singing with autotune"

also, i didnt invent the edit function. its a feature on this board for everyone to use. if i felt like i didnt write something as articulately as i wanted or didnt provide the right example or context to my post, i, along with everyone else, have the option to edit it. and please dont tell me you've NEVER in your two thousand posts edited a message...give me a break

 

[D.K.]

TM21, do You actually really think, that any of the guitar virtuosos (John Petrucci, Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Guthrie Govan, Yngwie Malmsteen - You name it) would ever have said anything like what You've said? In THAT TONE, about THOSE PLAYERS?

I remeber a Steve Morse interview where he said how happy he was when Eric Clapton told him he would be improving and getting better in the last couple of Years. Mind You, Steve has been 50 by then, and had already proven everything there was to prove with his guitar playing.