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I find this thread interesting...:D

TM21 has an opinion which he is entitled to.... but does that make him right and everyone else wrong..?

of course not...

but.... I've seen this a lot over the years... I've seen it among my friends and peers who for whatever reason feel the need to argue about players, music, equipment and whatever else....:rolleyes:

its human nature and none of us should rise to it... ultimately its a futile exercise...

his opinion about stuff I find amusing and a little immature... but thats my opinion... I'd like to talk to TM21 20 years from now and see if his opinion is the same as today...

I get the feeling it won't be..;)
 
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I'm not arguing that any one type of music is better than another. Everyone is different and likes different things.

My problem is purely with the tone and expression of the posts.
 

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I'm going to chime in real quick.

I like some blues material and I dislike a lot of it. I like some metal material and I dislike even more of it.

I think that playing with feel is great, and that it is possible to express that feel with both some soulful slowly bent notes and some blazing fast notes. Some, not all. Mishmashing is great, but it is my opinion that an all-or-nothing attitude generally leaves a bit to be desired.

Some of the "feel" players that you think are condescending to shredders may simply not have been exposed to the soulful side of shredding, or were possibly introduced to that material in the wrong way.

Example: To introduce an avid Gilmour fan to Pantera you don't want to start off with the first song they hear being F****** Hostile, you want to bring them into the genre with something that is closer to crossing over, maybe more along the lines of Cemetery Gates.

Having a positive attitude and positive outlook towards music is more important than playing with feel or shredding. Musicians slagging other musicians just plain old isn't cool. Being obtuse when discussing opinions isn't cool, either.
 

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So funny you mention my #1 non-metal player and my #1 metal-band in one sentence :)

Pantera:
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Some of the "feel" players that you think are condescending to shredders may simply not have been exposed to the soulful side of shredding, or were possibly introduced to that material in the wrong way.

Example: To introduce an avid Gilmour fan to Pantera you don't want to start off with the first song they hear being F****** Hostile, you want to bring them into the genre with something that is closer to crossing over, maybe more along the lines of Cemetery Gates.

Having a positive attitude and positive outlook towards music is more important than playing with feel or shredding. Musicians slagging other musicians just plain old isn't cool. Being obtuse when discussing opinions isn't cool, either.
F****** Hostile is the rawest song ever written, its how you intruduce someone to a riot \m/ and I agree with all this, I have no right to bag on any guitarist who is out there with adoring fans and making the benjimans every night, guitarists who hate on them are first of all jealous and either think they could do it better or just plain dont like the music which there is nothing wrong with but the way some people voice their opinions are just juvenile. On the other side of things I will just never understand how there are also some guys out there that devote all their playing to sound just like VH or SRV or Clapton, Eric Johnson is just about the only guy that can sound like whoever he wants, PLUS he still has his own style



"......There has to be something else to this...That's why I did it. It felt to me like a case of incest, you know? A guitar player listens to other guitar players, the guitar player they listen to listens to a guitar player in their turn and so on. Jimi Hendrix listened to B.B. King. B.B. King listened to Robert Johnson, the blues guy. And there's nothing wrong with that, because that's how that thing evolved down the line. I just want to go somewhere else with it."
--Yngwie Malmsteen, Yngwie Malmsteen Interview (2008)

I find it funny that you think this validates your argument.I think alot of people would agree with this sentiment of blues being a learning stone to progress to more advance styles, I mean everyone starts with Smoke on Water and Sunshine of Your Love, then you move onto Rock and Roll and Johnny B Good. Yngvie just acted like his typical self and when he finally discovered there was more to guitar then the blues scale, it was like some sort of divine epiphony haha.
 

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Regardless of how anyone feels about Yngwie's playing, the undeniable fact is he wrote possibly the worst song and lyrics in the history of rock/metal with "I Am A Viking".
 

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Maybe not the worst thread ever, but people arguing about what kind of music is better seems unending. No offense meant to anyone.

Didn't offend, buddy. I really just wanted to know why you said that.

I agree with you, though. The bickering about what's better is kinda silly. Everyone is going to have an opinion so out of 6 billion people in the world there's bound to be someone who thinks good music sucks :D:p
 

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I can’t believe I read this whole thread. I will keep my yap shut as I don’t believe this is the place to say whats really on my mind. I like things to stay positive.
 

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It's generally not a good idea to feel players without asking for their permission first.
 

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"I don't really care for the calling of someone out to post examples of their playing to validate their opinions."
Thank you, much appreciated!
 

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Why does anyone's opinion ever need to be validated?

you'd have to ask dizzy. he's the one who seems to think my opinion is invalid unless i can play like paul gilbert. thats like saying i have to be in the nba to think that michael olowakandi was the worst #1 draft pick ever.
 

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you'd have to ask dizzy. he's the one who seems to think my opinion is invalid unless i can play like paul gilbert. thats like saying i have to be in the nba to think that michael olowakandi was the worst #1 draft pick ever.

He wasn't, Sam Bowie was. :)
 

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Hey TM, seems like everyone is kind of taking you to the woodshed here.

You are absolutely entitled to your opinion regarding the players you mentioned, but you can't expect everyone to agree with you. I tried to make a point earlier that truly great players can shred, and play with emotion. If you don't believe it, listen to "The Forgotten 2" from Joe Satriani.

The fact is that there is more to music than technical proficeincy. Playing notes really fast, simply for the sake of showing people how fast you can play, isn't making music, it's shamelss self indulgence. On the other hand, playing notes really fast to make the music sound better is great.

I would recommend keeping an open mind about all the music you hear, and take a little bit from all of it to develop your own style. If you are dismissive of "Feel Players", then you are closing yourself off creatively form an influence that could improve your playing.
 
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