GuitarHack
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So this is what it feels like to go insane...
Off Topic Question about so-called "Feel Players"
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dizzy i'm still waiting for that video of you playing so slowly and with so much emotion that it causes my heart to skip a beat. make sure you grimace a lot, almost like you have a bad case of diarrhea and you're clenching to avoid an unsightly accident. that will really get the blood flowing.
Jimmyb
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There are 12 notes.
People play them in different combinations and at different speeds.
Not everyone likes every combination.
People play them in different combinations and at different speeds.
Not everyone likes every combination.
Jimmyb
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You really don't want to go down the personal insult route....
ScoobySteve
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lol
I just wanted to mention tm, that speaking tactfully and diplomatically in regards to musicians, (some of which you named are EB endorsees) is in your best interest.
It's a rule. No musician bashing.
You can diplomatically state that it is not your preference, but this is not the place to vent so you can bash artists you don't like.
Not the place.
"Once I started getting all this Blackmore pentatonic blues stuff, you know, pretty much down, I was playing every note, note for note major pentatonical. I was like 10 years old and played every solo exact. It's pretty sick. The thing is, then I found myself real frustrated because I thought it was too simple, too easy. I don't mean to sound arrogant about it, but to me, it was too easy. I felt it was so weird, because I started hearing every guitar player I heard doing the same thing. In a little bit of the way like Angus Young or Michael Schencker or Ritchie Blackmore or anyone. It was always that pentatonic boxing of the fifth fret in A. I said, "Wow, this...no, no, no. There has to be something else to this...That's why I did it. It felt to me like a case of incest, you know? A guitar player listens to other guitar players, the guitar player they listen to listens to a guitar player in their turn and so on. Jimi Hendrix listened to B.B. King. B.B. King listened to Robert Johnson, the blues guy. And there's nothing wrong with that, because that's how that thing evolved down the line. I just want to go somewhere else with it."
--Yngwie Malmsteen, Yngwie Malmsteen Interview (2008)
--Yngwie Malmsteen, Yngwie Malmsteen Interview (2008)
Dizzy
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Oi dickhead, get some nuts.
For such an eloquent guy, your retaliations are piss weak.
PISS WEAK.
You were candidly invited to post a vid first - now you're playing dodge like a 5 year old.... AND turning it nasty.
Get your head out of your ass and put as much effort into reading and absorbing OTHER people's posts as you do typing the bullsh!t arrogant essays that are 90% of your contributions, 'cause you could end up looking like a real dick
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Jimmyb
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Just for clarification, I shan't be posting a video, as I'm crap, but fortunately have never proffessed to be anything but!
D.K.
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Great excerpt, great interview - Yngwie tries not to put down the others and talks about him going into a different direction.
So, if Yngwie - who, judging by oh so many interviews of people who have been around him, can be a very arrogant person to be around and make music with, tries to put his maybe insulting ideas in a non insulting way - why don't You try it?
And, from man to man - there is no way You can walk away with that personal insult on Dizz. That's just not what an adult man who is responsible for his words would ever do. Show Your guts, show us Your playing, which Dizz did and many forumites watched with great satisfaction. He knows his trade well - what about a small example of technical playing from You?
So, if Yngwie - who, judging by oh so many interviews of people who have been around him, can be a very arrogant person to be around and make music with, tries to put his maybe insulting ideas in a non insulting way - why don't You try it?
And, from man to man - there is no way You can walk away with that personal insult on Dizz. That's just not what an adult man who is responsible for his words would ever do. Show Your guts, show us Your playing, which Dizz did and many forumites watched with great satisfaction. He knows his trade well - what about a small example of technical playing from You?
metalmarty
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Gilmour is better now then he ever was before. The man just oozes musicality, tone, feel and mysticism. To me, he's my ultimate favorite guitarist because I'll always aspire to having his skill, tone and phrasing though I know I'll never accomplish that. Floyd will never be irrelevant, same as the beatles never will be. They made too big a mark on modern music as we know it.
I love shred BTW. Started playing guitar because of Hetfield, Vai and Petrucci. I equally love Knopfler, Gilmour and Beck but on another level. As someone stated above, the feeling (music if you will) is in between te notes. Yngwie is an amazing guitarist, but it doesn't give me goosebumps. Same for Jeff Loomis, effing A-player. But listen to Gilmour's Comfortably Numb or High Hopes from the Royal Albert Hall gig and that sincerely moves me to my core.
bkrumme
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TM: I accept your opinion, but I will rebut.
I understand where you're coming from, but to me your argument is fundamentally flawed, as are some of the opposite arguments. If all Blues didn't sound somewhat the same, we couldn't categorize it as "Blues" and therefore the 1-4-5 argument as well as the opposite argument that current Blues artists deviate from 1-4-5 is totally moot. Blues is, was, and always will be about the FEEL of the music. This goes for every other genre and subgenre of music you can think of. Blues music has a Blues feel. Rock music has a Rock feel. Shred has a Shred feel. Whether one genre is technically better than another genre is irrelevant.
You aren't required to understand what the artist is trying to convey with their music. You aren't required to understand the "feel" of any piece of music you listen to. Those of us who are trying to convince you that it's there when you don't hear it are just trying to share our passion for that music with you. It's not an attempt to tell you you're wrong, just an attempt to share something with you that we enjoy. I certainly wouldn't require you to enjoy something you simply don't like. Likewise, I hope you wouldn't require me to enjoy something I don't like.
I understand where you're coming from, but to me your argument is fundamentally flawed, as are some of the opposite arguments. If all Blues didn't sound somewhat the same, we couldn't categorize it as "Blues" and therefore the 1-4-5 argument as well as the opposite argument that current Blues artists deviate from 1-4-5 is totally moot. Blues is, was, and always will be about the FEEL of the music. This goes for every other genre and subgenre of music you can think of. Blues music has a Blues feel. Rock music has a Rock feel. Shred has a Shred feel. Whether one genre is technically better than another genre is irrelevant.
You aren't required to understand what the artist is trying to convey with their music. You aren't required to understand the "feel" of any piece of music you listen to. Those of us who are trying to convince you that it's there when you don't hear it are just trying to share our passion for that music with you. It's not an attempt to tell you you're wrong, just an attempt to share something with you that we enjoy. I certainly wouldn't require you to enjoy something you simply don't like. Likewise, I hope you wouldn't require me to enjoy something I don't like.
Jimmyb
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TM21.
What you need to understand here, is that this is an international forum, made up of people who enjoy playing Ernie Ball Musicman guitars and Basses. We're an 'eclectic' bunch to say the least and hail from all walks of life and musical tastes.
The forum is a cool place to hang out for 99% of the time and we treat each other, and other musicians and instrument companies with respect.
Sterling Ball (Big Poppa) doesn't go for 'flaming' other manufacturers and certainly does not tolerate criticism of other musicians. This is infectious and has filtered down to most of us here.
Your initial post comes across as very hostile, whether that was your intention or not. You need to understand, that when you post in such a manner, you will raise objections in people. Your original posts states that it may be your age that is the problem with you not understanding, I'd say maybe it is. Without wishing to be patronsing, I get the feeling you're not that old (I'm 36, so there's my comparison), but you need to realise that there are ways to approach these things when you're dealing with real people.
Anyway, I accept that you're entitled to your opinion, even if I don't agree with it.
What you need to understand here, is that this is an international forum, made up of people who enjoy playing Ernie Ball Musicman guitars and Basses. We're an 'eclectic' bunch to say the least and hail from all walks of life and musical tastes.
The forum is a cool place to hang out for 99% of the time and we treat each other, and other musicians and instrument companies with respect.
Sterling Ball (Big Poppa) doesn't go for 'flaming' other manufacturers and certainly does not tolerate criticism of other musicians. This is infectious and has filtered down to most of us here.
Your initial post comes across as very hostile, whether that was your intention or not. You need to understand, that when you post in such a manner, you will raise objections in people. Your original posts states that it may be your age that is the problem with you not understanding, I'd say maybe it is. Without wishing to be patronsing, I get the feeling you're not that old (I'm 36, so there's my comparison), but you need to realise that there are ways to approach these things when you're dealing with real people.
Anyway, I accept that you're entitled to your opinion, even if I don't agree with it.
Astrofreq
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Worst thread EVER.
bkrumme
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Why do you say that? I think there's some good conversation material here...even though it started jumping off the track a bit.
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Keithf
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Just one thing,Tm21.Gilmour to say wht you have shows a total lack of understanding of the man.
Back to the point,
What about George lynch?
He can pretty much do it all.
Back to the point,
What about George lynch?
He can pretty much do it all.
Astrofreq
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Maybe not the worst thread ever, but people arguing about what kind of music is better seems unending. No offense meant to anyone.
I don't really care for the calling of someone out to post examples of their playing to validate their opinions.
TM - even if you did play like Greg Howe, Yngwie, et al you still would be someone who I wouldn't enjoy discussing music with. Anyone who says they are glad someone is dead just because of the music the have made or could have potentially made...well, that's not someone I'd like to talk to.
EDIT: I just had a thought. You're obviously passionate about this so you ought to save this thread for reading 5, 10, 15 years down the road to see if you still feel the same way. Opinions and attitudes can change a lot over time.
I've read stuff I've posted on Usenet back in the day and I can't believe some of the stuff I said.
TM - even if you did play like Greg Howe, Yngwie, et al you still would be someone who I wouldn't enjoy discussing music with. Anyone who says they are glad someone is dead just because of the music the have made or could have potentially made...well, that's not someone I'd like to talk to.
EDIT: I just had a thought. You're obviously passionate about this so you ought to save this thread for reading 5, 10, 15 years down the road to see if you still feel the same way. Opinions and attitudes can change a lot over time.
I've read stuff I've posted on Usenet back in the day and I can't believe some of the stuff I said.
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