Big Poppa
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whats the matter with wonder dog? how about a poll Shouldnt our ace trademark attorney have a fraternity name?
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GHWelles
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I am not sure I like the way this is going . . . . 
Well, I sent an email to the seller, and he checked it out, then appologized and told me he's going to pull the auction - apparently, he listed it on consignment with a description given him by the seller, and since he's not an EBMM dealer, he really didn't know the difference... Seemed like a nice guy - but that posting was too much; really irritates me when someone who should know better doesn't... I mean, just because you are a Gibson dealer doesn't mean you should think that a Chinese guitar was made in the USA... oh, wait a minute...blackspy said:
I honestly don't blame Ernie Ball Muisc Man or OLP for the whole fraud thing. I blame the dishonest people that scower the internet looking to take advantage of unsuspecting and uninformed buyers.
I've posted this before but i'll do it again... MY TAKE ON OLP!
The whole concept behind OLP was to attempt to stop Sterling from being ripped off with the design "COPIES" that companies such as Jay Turser and many others were and still are doing. Sterling and OLP have licensed patterens of similarity in look and overall design; however, they did not and cannot match the quality of hand made instrumenst coming out of San Luis Obispo. That is a fact!
When a young player is looking for an instrument to learn how to play options for a good "inexpensive" guitar... Face it options are limited. Anything under $200 made by F3nd3r (Afinity, Squier) or Epiphone are pretty cheap in quality and playability. Then you have OLP. Who has worked with EBMM for licensing rights to certain designs... Such as the Axis, Silouete, JP6, Benji Maden Signature and the Luke designs. These guitars offer young players a selection of guitars that are playable for a small chunk of change. OLP did not set out to fraudulently sell instruments and they cannot be blamed for dishonest consumers buying them for $200 and making some mods and trying to turn around and sell it as an AUTHENTC EBMM guitar on EBAY.
We've all seen Guitars on E-bay that claim to be something they are not and we get a good laugh at the stupidity of the sellers. We cannot blame the Original Makers of the guitars such as OLP or EBMM. We cannot place the blame on those who are honest.
Well... that's my two on the whole thing. I like the options that OLP have thrown out to the market and will suggest them to young players... Heck I even own one and think it's pretyy cool. Obviously not an EBMM but cool non the less for a $250 guitar.
I've posted this before but i'll do it again... MY TAKE ON OLP!
The whole concept behind OLP was to attempt to stop Sterling from being ripped off with the design "COPIES" that companies such as Jay Turser and many others were and still are doing. Sterling and OLP have licensed patterens of similarity in look and overall design; however, they did not and cannot match the quality of hand made instrumenst coming out of San Luis Obispo. That is a fact!
When a young player is looking for an instrument to learn how to play options for a good "inexpensive" guitar... Face it options are limited. Anything under $200 made by F3nd3r (Afinity, Squier) or Epiphone are pretty cheap in quality and playability. Then you have OLP. Who has worked with EBMM for licensing rights to certain designs... Such as the Axis, Silouete, JP6, Benji Maden Signature and the Luke designs. These guitars offer young players a selection of guitars that are playable for a small chunk of change. OLP did not set out to fraudulently sell instruments and they cannot be blamed for dishonest consumers buying them for $200 and making some mods and trying to turn around and sell it as an AUTHENTC EBMM guitar on EBAY.
We've all seen Guitars on E-bay that claim to be something they are not and we get a good laugh at the stupidity of the sellers. We cannot blame the Original Makers of the guitars such as OLP or EBMM. We cannot place the blame on those who are honest.
Well... that's my two on the whole thing. I like the options that OLP have thrown out to the market and will suggest them to young players... Heck I even own one and think it's pretyy cool. Obviously not an EBMM but cool non the less for a $250 guitar.
Big Poppa
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thanks peter
koogie2k
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Until I get my desk job....we could "round him up" for a little...ah...chat maybe..
OrangeChannel
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Hey BP....Get a mod to change his name to WonderDog....that rules. Wear it with authority GH...
NO PROBLEMO BP... IF i am incorrect with any of my statements please send me the correct information (why you licensed the design) or anything extra cool that I should know. I do not want to be providing wrong information to the young kids that I work with at my church.
Big Poppa
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Koogs The open house would be a great place to torture....but you wont be there
ripley
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tommyindelaware said:
no, you're right it's not ebay's fault. it just all comes back to my theory that humans can and will, without fail, oivercomplicate something beyond all recognition simply because they can and it's their nature.
buying guitars off ebay is quite like walking through a bosnian minefield. in fact... I think I would rather take my chances with the minefield (providing that I had access to a magnent of some size and a voltomiter) because at least I know how the laws of physics work. buying a guitar on ebay is really risky.
one has to be SOOO careful when buying guitar off ebay. there's a secret rulebook floating around out there somewhere that's about the size of a phonebook that unlocks the tricks to buying guitars off ebay without getting ripped off.
gee. can you tell I've gotten burned by ebay with guitars a couple of times...? there's some gems on there from time to time, but you have to work for them, and good sellers are bloody hard to find.
koogie2k
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Big Poppa said:
That is true....guitar strings are used for other things besides music....hehehe....and why not use EBMM strings to boot...LOL...
Open House...I am sooo trying to work on getting there......extra hours out here, eat lunch on the run......not allowing any breaks.......just basically running my fellas in the ground to get done early. I'll keep you posted.....
peterd79 said:
I wasn't suggesting that my problem with the OLP guitars have anything to do with fraud. More so the fact that for alot of people, they don't seem to see a difference between an OLP or a Musicman. I hate to say it but, alot of people out there aren't too bright. They see what appears to be virtually the same guitar for alot less money and buy that, not the Musicman.
I'll dare say, to most people there is no worthwhile difference between an OLPMM1F guitar and a Musicman Axis. They honestly believe the Musicman buyer is the one who got ripped off, if anyone did, for paying what they paid for the Musicman. I don't care what they think really, I'm quite happy with what I have. The total misunderstanding is what gets me. Then, of course, there are the ones who like to stick a Musicman Logo on the OLP and try to profit, that's a whole other ball game.
Without really knowing much about guitars and buying based off a description and/or picture which would you buy ... Just looking at them, and reading the specs and thinking in terms of price.
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beej
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Guess I'm safe 'till there's an OLP Morse
SteveB
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blackspy said:
No matter what the legal details, I think it's safe to say that Big Poppa would probably never license a sig model to OLP if the sig artist wasn't cool with the idea. He just seems like that kind of guy. (i.e. friends come before money)
SteveB said:
That's what I would think as well.
Speaking of OLP's I just dropped by the local shop at lunch. They have 3 JP OLP guitars, with horrible painting around the bridge route. Also, maybe a 'real' JP owner could elaborate on this one... does the JP have really really small frets starting around the 15th ?? On the OLP they were almost too small for me to even play it.
They also have what a couple of what appear to be OLP Silhouette's, they seemed nice enough, one of em a had a weird neck contour though, it almost felt square around the back.
I guess you get what you pay for. I never plugged em in at all so I have no idea what they sound like.
Note: They have one Musicman on display behind glass, above the counter. The OLP's are front and center in the store with big cardboard display's of John Petrucci and his OLP. (Photoshop?) I didn't realize the only thing on them that says is licensed is the headstock design?
Anyway... enough with OLP.
Apples and oranges.
There's nothing wrong with OLPs. They are a $200-300 guitar. Period.
There purpose is simply to help control the "knock off" market.
Hopefully any beginners with OLPs will someday upgrade to the real EBMM
There's nothing wrong with OLPs. They are a $200-300 guitar. Period.
There purpose is simply to help control the "knock off" market.
Hopefully any beginners with OLPs will someday upgrade to the real EBMM
fogman said:Apples and oranges.
There's nothing wrong with OLPs. They are a $200-300 guitar. Period.
There purpose is simply to help control the "knock off" market.
Hopefully any beginners with OLPs will someday upgrade to the real EBMM
*I* understand that, as do most of us here, and I'm sure there's lots of people out there who understand it as well. The problem is, to me, that for alot of people, it's not Apples and Oranges, it's Apples and Apples. They don't see any real difference other than the logo, if that.
