Ohio calling..........

[bassmonkeee]

I am, as we speak wearing my Michael Moore Hates America T-shirt

And, I'm wearing my "I still hate George Bush" t shirt, as I type.

You'd think with you in California and me in Georgia that we'd be wearing the opposite, no?

 

[MingusBASS]

Hey atleast we can agree on one thing...

Bongos Rule

Andrew

 

[jongitarz]

So, Jon - you happy to contribute now?

I thought this WASN'T the place?

I said the bass forum was not the place. Try and keep up ok? You may have noticed I moved the thread.

 

[Psychicpet]

you sure are a smart feller Jon!! as to W. in the House for one more term, hey, his gov't really messed us over with the "Mad Cow" thing AND the soft wood lumber dispute but even considering that I still think he was the only real choice ... (stop hurling the daggersa nd arrows now ) but I watched a CBC news special that interviewed a large demographic of Americans and the only reason they could say they would vote for Kerry was to get W. out of office, they couldn't give a supportive reason as to Kerry the man or Kerry the platform but rather just "get W. out!" which brought me to the conclusion sometimes it's better to stick with the devil you know as opposed to the devil you don't know..... but that's just my 2-bits as a Canuck

 

[kdsi44]

I Totally Agree.....the Only Reason Some People Voted For Kerry Was To Not Vote For Bush...oh Well....im Happy With The Results, And I Voted...thats What Matters

 

[bovinehost]

Well, we all knew it was going to be close, and close it was. The Republican machinery is simply more efficient than the Democrat machinery. They got the voters out and into the polling booths and that, my friends, is that.

It was an interesting campaign. I am loathe to turn this into a political thread, so where we are is where we are and, being Americans, we will soldier on as best we can, getting the job done with the tools we are given.

I do have to say, though, that something like 50 million Americans said, "George Bush, you are WRONG."

In 2000, I said, "Why can't we have better choices?"

In 2004, I ask the same question.

And in 2008, I can only hope that the parties in question finally offer up someone we can ALL believe in.

 

[MingusBASS]

Bush also got the highest vote count in the history of our country. In every election there's someone telling you "you are wrong". If I had been old enough to vote at the time I would of told Clinton "you're wrong".

Andrew

 

[Mobay45]

Bush also got the highest vote count in the history of our country. In every election there's someone telling you "you are wrong". If I had been old enough to vote at the time I would of told Clinton "you're wrong".

Andrew

That being a fact, didn't Kerry just get the second highest vote count the the history of our country? What does that mean? It's still too close. I can't decide if they have too many similarities or too many differences that's causing the vote to be split so evenly. We need a candidate that the American citizens can get behind that won't tear the country apart as in the last two elections. Someone truly strong enough to lead this country wouldn't have to be sitting around sweating the outcome on election night. I'm completely with Jack on this one.

 

[dwf1004]

55,554,114 (48% total) Americans told Bush "you are wrong", according to Jack, however 59,108,395 (51% total) told Kerry "we're just fine as we are; we don't want fundemental change in the country, and we don't need to write checks to get our 'allies' to side with us, to run home with our tail between our legs". (voting tabulations courtesy CNN.com)

If you followed the political news, polls, forecasts, and the pundits as extensively as I did over the last 6 months, last night would not have been a surprise. I put together an electoral result map from this information, and followed the election (ALL of it) overnight, and there was not one surprise in regards to how the returns came about. (Three words: exit polls suck) The only "surprise", rather comparing it to the slower kid falling behind the rest of the group, was Ohio, slow because of the counting and the record voter turnout, causing people to still be in line and voting until 1AM PST/4 PM EST. Bush got the lead from the get go in that state, and never looked back.

Bush may not be the most popular, and has not made the appropriate or popular choices in some instances. I am a supporter, but I also am a logical person. I don't agree with everything that the man has done, but between the "lesser of the two evils", Bush, as was said previous, has that characteristic to be a leader that Kerry does not. He also is a man that will say what needs to be said, and know what he means by it, not say what he think he should say, and later have to explain what he means.

I think that he was awesome in the hours and day post 9/11, and kept America standing after that horrendous act. Like it or not, he was the right man for the job. I also think that he was playing things very close to the heart due to the upcoming election on numerous things, most importantly the Iraq action and the borders. I see things becoming more stronger and more forceful now that this is behind him, without fear of backlash in the polls. I also see this as a better term, since he doesn't have the Florida-imposed "asterisk" over his head, and the words "he stole the election" can be put to bed. He won, fair and square this time around in the popular AND electoral vote, and no math, fuzzy, new or whatever, would change anything dramtically in Ohio. It's time to move on and see where we can go in the next 4 years. Now that this is behind us, and things are in swing now, we can focus on more important things at home...I'm optimistic, but I'm also logical. Nothing will be overnight, so give it some time.

On behalf of Kerry, I obviously did not like/support him during this campaign, but I gained respect for him as a man for realizing that the numbers were working against him in Ohio, and decided to call it a day and let things progress, instead of keeping the country in "legal limbo" for the next weeks to come. I wish him nothing but the best in the future.

Overall, as it has over the last 200+ years, the system itself worked once again, whether you like the outcome or not. I'm glad that our process of democracy has prevailed.

As far as 2008, even though they won't admit it now, the presidential race is going to line up as Hillary Rodham Clinton (D) challenging Rudolph Giuliani (R). The Democractic party is down for the count; unless Bush and the House/Senate Republicans do some extreme damage over the next 4 years, I see Giuliani prevailing with a spread of 10.

 

[MingusBASS]

Very well said.

Andrew

 

[JB1]

Jon, I wish I'd listened to you in the first place!

Back to basses?

 

[Warg Master]

**** Bush.

 

[dwf1004]

Andrew: thank you. It's amazing what kind of discussions you can have when your opinion is educated and well-informed, unlike a certain person above.

Warg: sorry that you feel that way...but hey, this is America, we can agree to disagree. That's what this great land is all about, right?

JB1 (and Jon, I reckon): I didn't think that I was out of line here. This is, after all, the forum labeled "Current Events -- What's happening in the world today?" Last time I checked, this was a rather current event. As long as we're adults and not slinging monkey poo at each other, I don't see why we can't have a civilized and adult conversation about matters like this. We've discussed everything from Ernie Ball's passing to the Boston Red Sox, why leave this out? It's better than the lame a** "HeY, cHeCk OuT mY wEbSiTe d00d" or "Shark Talez is cool, Christina rox!" crap that gets posted here.

I just responded because it's always nice to have engaging and educated discussions with people on ANY subject, including politics. Unless I've scared you with my knowledge...

Have a good one, all!

 

[johans]

i see you have a sound, fair and knowledgable replies darrell
im with you

 

[Mantaray]

55,554,114 (48% total) Americans told Bush "you are wrong", according to Jack, however 59,108,395 (51% total) told Kerry "we're just fine as we are; we don't want fundemental change in the country, and we don't need to write checks to get our 'allies' to side with us, to run home with our tail between our legs". (voting tabulations courtesy CNN.com)

If you followed the political news, polls, forecasts, and the pundits as extensively as I did over the last 6 months, last night would not have been a surprise. I put together an electoral result map from this information, and followed the election (ALL of it) overnight, and there was not one surprise in regards to how the returns came about. (Three words: exit polls suck) The only "surprise", rather comparing it to the slower kid falling behind the rest of the group, was Ohio, slow because of the counting and the record voter turnout, causing people to still be in line and voting until 1AM PST/4 PM EST. Bush got the lead from the get go in that state, and never looked back.

Bush may not be the most popular, and has not made the appropriate or popular choices in some instances. I am a supporter, but I also am a logical person. I don't agree with everything that the man has done, but between the "lesser of the two evils", Bush, as was said previous, has that characteristic to be a leader that Kerry does not. He also is a man that will say what needs to be said, and know what he means by it, not say what he think he should say, and later have to explain what he means.

I think that he was awesome in the hours and day post 9/11, and kept America standing after that horrendous act. Like it or not, he was the right man for the job. I also think that he was playing things very close to the heart due to the upcoming election on numerous things, most importantly the Iraq action and the borders. I see things becoming more stronger and more forceful now that this is behind him, without fear of backlash in the polls. I also see this as a better term, since he doesn't have the Florida-imposed "asterisk" over his head, and the words "he stole the election" can be put to bed. He won, fair and square this time around in the popular AND electoral vote, and no math, fuzzy, new or whatever, would change anything dramtically in Ohio. It's time to move on and see where we can go in the next 4 years. Now that this is behind us, and things are in swing now, we can focus on more important things at home...I'm optimistic, but I'm also logical. Nothing will be overnight, so give it some time.

On behalf of Kerry, I obviously did not like/support him during this campaign, but I gained respect for him as a man for realizing that the numbers were working against him in Ohio, and decided to call it a day and let things progress, instead of keeping the country in "legal limbo" for the next weeks to come. I wish him nothing but the best in the future.

Overall, as it has over the last 200+ years, the system itself worked once again, whether you like the outcome or not. I'm glad that our process of democracy has prevailed.

As far as 2008, even though they won't admit it now, the presidential race is going to line up as Hillary Rodham Clinton (D) challenging Rudolph Giuliani (R). The Democractic party is down for the count; unless Bush and the House/Senate Republicans do some extreme damage over the next 4 years, I see Giuliani prevailing with a spread of 10.

I couldn't agree with you more.....

In fact I was watching the entire thing from last January. From the first time I saw Kerry he wasn't convincing. In fact for a great period of time, most people forgot about his existence. Also Bush is very comfortable with himself, with his voters and he is simple in words but VERY correct in several matters. He has the true Yankee style that Kerry misses. He's like 'we're the US, we're the superpower and we won't beg anyone for help. We want sth, we go for it'. Juliani is of a similar kind. If you are a country like the US which has several opponents, you don't need 'sensitive approaches'. You gotta have balls. And Bush has'em. I was opposed to the Iraq invasion, but I gotta admit that he is a true All-American president.

 

[Mobay45]

Well said Darrell! Even though, being a born and bred Texan I can't completely agree with you about Bush, he did win this one outright. I also agree with you about who the Republicans will run for their candidate in '08, but I don't think the Dems will run Hillary as their's. She might be on the ticket as the V.P. candidate though.

There is one other thing. If Giuliani runs, I think he will have the support that Bush has been unable to achieve. I've talked to several people about him being a candidate and it seems that he would garner a lot of support. I would certainly be inclined to vote for him.

 

[Mantaray]

Also these elections have improved the picture of the US in the eyes of most countries' people.

This turnout was amazing. Until now everyone was like 'c'mon, the Americans are stupid, they don't vote, they haven't got a clue about politics etc etc'. I think this was a good lesson.

 

[Bassplyr]

4 more years...of dead marines, a shi**y economy, and tax cuts for the rich. Wow, it's great to be an American!

 

[jongitarz]

The people have spoken

 

[MingusBASS]

I am sickened by the childish, illogical, scare tactics attitude that many Kerry voters are displaying. If anything will divide this country it is ignorant, hateful , sore loser, arrogant people who would rather destroy their emotional sanity then to deal with the fact that we have W as president for 4 more years and moveon(.org ha)! We are fighting a war overseas. I DO NOT want to fight a war here. Brothers and Sisters can't we come together and try to make this country better? Forget who you voted for, put your pride on the shelf and let us as AMERICANS come together.

my name is Andrew Teeple

I voted for George W. Bush

I'm not a Red Neck

I'm not Stupid

I am Educated

I want what is best for America

You may not agree with my views but I'm tired of hearing how half of the country is "sooo stupid" for voting for Bush. Grow the Hell up.

Andrew