Vinnie Moore Leaving EB/MM

[roburado]

Surely this will change in the future, such a unique axe and definitely a hidden treasure. i'm tryin to do my little tiny bit to spread the word!

Everyone thats played my AL's is amazed at them.

Yeah...but...if you keep buying all the used ALs around the world, there won't be any left for the rest of the people.

 

[robelinda2]

Rob, there's one right now on ebay for sale.....i think its Silverbursts. I'm not going near it!

 

[roburado]

Haha...Okay, man. Where's the LE?

 

[Colin]

Haha...Okay, man. Where's the LE?

I've seen it and it's nice

 

[Big Mike]

Very cool for you to share this information BP.

Good Luck to Vinnie. Great player, and when I met him at namm many moons ago, he was very very kind and patient with us fans.

 

[fullshred]

Vm

I've been waiting in limbo for years to have EB build a Vinnie Moore model. I certainly would have bought one. VM deserved his own sig model and EB basically dropped the ball by not getting off their lazy azzes!!! They had one of the top, influencial players in the world touring and recording with their gear for years, and no one thinks that EB should've picked up where Ibanez left off? Come on...

It certainly is all about the money, make no mistake.

I'm sure wherever VM docks, he'll realize real support, with ads and a team of people that will advance his career in more ways than one.

VM, we're with ya bud. You deserve the best.

EB's loss will, without a doubt, be someone else's gain.

 

[kneeoh]

fullshred, while you are entitled to your opinion, you need to re-think the way you present it. You show a complete lack of respect for everyone at EBMM...the very people who fund and maintain this board and, you're talking out of your ass when you question and criticize the support that EBMM give their artists.

 

[BigTony]

I've been waiting in limbo for years to have EB build a Vinnie Moore model. I certainly would have bought one. VM deserved his own sig model and EB basically dropped the ball by not getting off their lazy azzes!!! They had one of the top, influencial players in the world touring and recording with their gear for years, and no one thinks that EB should've picked up where Ibanez left off? Come on...

It certainly is all about the money, make no mistake.

I'm sure wherever VM docks, he'll realize real support, with ads and a team of people that will advance his career in more ways than one.

VM, we're with ya bud. You deserve the best.

EB's loss will, without a doubt, be someone else's gain.

Nuthin wrong with being passionate about an artist's contribution, but it looks like everything has been done with mutual understanding and consideration. I would imagine EB know the guitar market more than any of us, and the financials behind launching a sig model.
Take for instance the Luke, AL and JP. Completely new designed, from the floor up guitars. Indeed, what a sig guitar should be.

Most artists models made by other manufacturer's are simply the same instrument with a sticker on the headstock and a few other miner alterations. I think that if VM is going to have his own sig model, that is about the best he is going to get, that is a bit different from the expense of creating a whole new animal.

I'm glad you mentioned VM deserves the best, unfortunatly, VM is going on to pastures new, and with him playing MM, that was the period that VM was getting the best. I mean no disrespect to Vinnie and his decision, best of luck to him, but lets be honest, he may be getting some more money, and lets face it, thats what this is about, but it certainly does not constitute the best, it is simply a matter of choice.

 

[Paul Warren]

I've been waiting in limbo for years to have EB build a Vinnie Moore model. I certainly would have bought one. VM deserved his own sig model and EB basically dropped the ball by not getting off their lazy azzes!!! They had one of the top, influencial players in the world touring and recording with their gear for years, and no one thinks that EB should've picked up where Ibanez left off? Come on...

It certainly is all about the money, make no mistake.

I'm sure wherever VM docks, he'll realize real support, with ads and a team of people that will advance his career in more ways than one.

VM, we're with ya bud. You deserve the best.

EB's loss will, without a doubt, be someone else's gain.

Sigh, this reminds me so much of people who tell me how to run my business and don't have a clue about costs or how things really work. But that doesn't stop them from presenting their uninformed opinion! Time after time I'm told to "book this artist!" because somebody is really passionate about him, and that's fine. But they don't realize the costs involved and how hard it is to sell certain artist appearances to the public. In other words, your world isn't necessarily the real world of what actually sells.

EB DID support VM bigtime through lots and lots of appearances worldwide. They even helped support a VM event at my place and I didn't even sell EB/MM stuff! How many other companies would do that? Well, I know through experience - very, very few.

You drop this "it certainly is all about money" line as if trying to make money and sound business decisions is wrong. Bottom line is, businesses don't exist to give you want you want at a loss to the business. Businesses exist to make money. People don't get that concept until they run a business themselves, it seems. BP mentioned that a sig guitar wasn't their deal with him and yet VM stayed with EB/MM for all of these years. There is no contract with EB artists, so if he were unhappy he could have left at any time. I'm a huge VM supporter and wish him well. But knowing Vinnie, I'm sure he doesn't want people on here bashing EB because he's just not that kind of a guy and understands businesses have limitations in the marketplace.

paul

 

[tommyindelaware]

i think yer bein a little too judgemental about business that really aint yer business......& you know nothin about.

I've been waiting in limbo for years to have EB build a Vinnie Moore model. I certainly would have bought one. VM deserved his own sig model and EB basically dropped the ball by not getting off their lazy azzes!!! They had one of the top, influencial players in the world touring and recording with their gear for years, and no one thinks that EB should've picked up where Ibanez left off? Come on...

It certainly is all about the money, make no mistake.

I'm sure wherever VM docks, he'll realize real support, with ads and a team of people that will advance his career in more ways than one.

VM, we're with ya bud. You deserve the best.

EB's loss will, without a doubt, be someone else's gain.

 

[fullshred]

I know PLENTY about the biz gentlemen. And please don't take it personal. I, like yourselves, am entitled to my opinion. So what was the real reason why EB didn't make a VM model again? Thanks!

PS, I don't respond to the flamers. It's a waste of my time.

 

[tristan]

maybe you know plenbty about biz, but not about music buziness...there's absolutely no doubt that vinnie is one of the top guitar players in the world today.

but does he sell as much CD's as toto, deep purple or dream theater ?

does he have any idea about a sig model ?

changing pickups on a silohouette special and ading a seriegraph on the headstock is just not what I call a signature..if you like that, go to fender...

so OK...we all respect the fact that your really like vinnie like most of us, but the deal was not a sig...that's all.

if vinnie could get a sig, why not blues sarasceno? dweezil zappa? why not myself ?

that's just not smart....for the brand, for their artists, for their fans....

 

[Beth]

Guys
First off to answer what I think that Dizzy was asking because he dredged up Benji. We have beat that to death but I can tell you that if VInnie had sold 8 million records like Benji we would have had a sig model. A signature model was never offered and it was an uncomfortable situation that VInnie accepted. I guess it caught up with him.

Signature anything usually is a way to lock the artist in sometimes sucessfully and sometimes not when you get the Joe Walsh's and Ritchie Sambora;'s that endorse a lot of stuff. IT is also a great way of stroking the players ego.THe problem is at retail. Unless the artist can actually sell product the dealer doesnt have a hook for it. Another consideration is if the artist and company can collectively move the gutiar forwardforward like the JP BFR.

One of the other categories that we use is an artist that supports the brand and existing models. That is the best one because they add credibility to a guitar that many people play.

THere is no question that our primary artists are John Petrucci, Steve Lukather, ALbert Lee and Steve Morse. I think that Vinnie really became uncomfortable not being in the above group with us.

We feel that John Petrucci and Steve Morse and Luke's guitars are three of the best selling signature models in the business. THe ALbert Lee is gaining momentum but it has been a slow seller since its introduction in 1993. In the above four players cases they tour and record constantly. In Albert's case he is the greatest living country guitarist and is an icon. WHen players like Jeff Beck mention his favorite player it starts with Albert.

Please understand that I think that Vinnie Moore is a monster guitarist. It is a chicken vs. the egg thing........ does the artist create the momentum or the company. Maybe both is the truth.

None of this is meant as disrespectful to Vinnie Moore. We picked him up when things weren't good for him and we had a great relationship through a long period of time where there wasn't many tours or CD's. We are really happy for his family now that the UFO thing is happening. The next thing would be for UFO to get big in the USA.

Breaking up is hard to do. I have no issues with Vinnie and enjoyed his contributions to our growth and hope he appreciates the clinic tours and support we have given him. I also sincerely wish nothing but the greatest success with his new deal.

Fullshred, noone means to blast you, and frankly, I don't see where anyone actually did. You arrived to this thread all guns blazin' and obviously didn't read the entire thread before you blasted EB. Please see above.

Thank you, Tristan, for your comments and insight!

 

[tommyindelaware]

i wasn't refering to " the biz ".....i was refering to the business between vinnie and ebmm. (which is really none of our business. not to accept the already givin explanation and infer that it's not real is not very friendly and i feel offensive...

I know PLENTY about the biz gentlemen. And please don't take it personal. I, like yourselves, am entitled to my opinion. So what was the real reason why EB didn't make a VM model again? Thanks!

PS, I don't respond to the flamers. It's a waste of my time.

 

[fullshred]

maybe you know plenbty about biz, but not about music buziness...

I have plenty of qualifications. Trust me. But thanks for your baseless opinion.

there's absolutely no doubt that vinnie is one of the top guitar players in the world today.

Thank you for reiterrating that.

but does he sell as much CD's as toto, deep purple or dream theater ?

What do album sales have to do with a signature guitar? How many albums have UFO sold since "You Are Here"? How many pieces has VM sold since "Mind's Eye"? Just how many units of the Albert Lee MMs have sold? And where was JP before EB? VH? Luke? Ibanez, Kramer, Charvel, and now Fender.

does he have any idea about a sig model ?

Ever here of the Ibanez Star IV VM model made in Bensalem, PA?

changing pickups on a silohouette special and ading a seriegraph on the headstock is just not what I call a signature..if you like that, go to fender...

Yes, the EB's VM played were modded. What's your point?

so OK...we all respect the fact that your really like vinnie like most of us, but the deal was not a sig...that's all.

It wasn't?

if vinnie could get a sig, why not blues sarasceno? dweezil zappa? why not myself ?

You're comparing VM to these people? VM deserved his own signature model because he's "Vinnie Moore." And Dweezil did have a sig model through Charvel as did Blues with Yamaha.

that's just not smart....for the brand, for their artists, for their fans....

"Smart" is a relative endorsement.

 

[beej]

EB basically dropped the ball by not getting off their lazy azzes!!!

Wow, that's arrogant. I don't think you have any idea what went on between Vinnie and MM. And lazy asses? Again ... if you'd spent any time around these parts you'd know how hard these guys work to push the envelope.

Lol.

 

[Norrin Radd]

Hey fullshred -

How about you share with us some of your "qualifications" so we can get a better grip on your position? I'm not personally much persuaded by "trust me". Don't get me wrong - I have no reason to immediately discount the position of authority from which you claim to speak, but I wouldn't let a surgeon operate on me without knowing his credentials or a mechanic tinker with my car's engine without making sure he was qualified. So how about a little more than "trust me"?

 

[glockaxis]

I see some good points on both sides.

Here are some questions turning around in my mind after reading this thread the last couple of days:

How many albums has VM sold solo and w/ UFO? What would he have liked to design for a Sig. guitar? Didn't Benji just slap his name on a Silo w/ a one humbucker pickguard (not a ground up design/I wonder how sales are doing w/ this sig and if it is indeed bringing in the youth market to EBMM)? Was VM's exposure in the US just not good enough to sell the brand and allow EBMM to recoup cost involved to design and tool for a brand new model?-----This last question is the one I'm led to believe caused the separation.

 

[BigTony]

I know PLENTY about the biz gentlemen.

Excellent. So how long have you been manufacturing instruments for?

 

[tommyindelaware]

i guess i just feel this is REALLY none of our business to speculate on......