- Thread starter melvin7822
- Start date
- Status
cellkirk74
Well-known member
Wow BP!
That was a classy move. Hats off to you sir!
I'd sure like to check one of those out one day.
That was a classy move. Hats off to you sir!
I'd sure like to check one of those out one day.
Last edited:
Big Poppa
Well-known member
Hey Joe Bone you are famous for a coupla days!
more items.
1. If you guys think that I did this for publicity..talk to bassmonkee or Jackie
2. I am surpised that you guys haven't commented yet on the numbers involved in making a small change. I find that when I totally address a point that you guys who dont agree with how I built Music Man go mute like the point never was brought up.
3.What appears to be a small deal is expensive unless its a pickup. WE dont buy bodies made by one guy that are sent to a third party painter (the two biggest boutique assemblers....)and then buy off the shelf pickups and bridges and then assemble them. We actually mill bodies, sand them, paint them, buff them...then we tool up for our own hardware and pickups then we assemble and set up. Before everyone gets their panties wadded up....Some of those guys are dear friends....But...they dont call themselves builders when we talk. It is so much easier to make one of these changes when you just have to order another bridge and send a change order to the company that does your milling. Do you ever look at the retail prices of the assembled basses...They are fantastically made..rarely change from existing Fender designs but why are they $4,000? Im sure Fenders customer shop stuff is nice too...but I wonder what the landscape of bass would look like if Fender always made nice stuff?
4. I support young builders and designers...have for years. My factory is open to them and my advice.
5.The lack of support from the general public for new forward designs is a kryptonite wall. (once again I love Fender basses too.....I still have my 57 p that my dad gave me when I was 17) but in most industries the Bongo wouldn't have upset as many people as it did. It was what trendy guys call "disruptive" It has been a long term success but it wasnt my goal to have it replace the p and j....I wanted to do something different. I hope that in 50 years that the barriers for unique basses are broken down and the player will feel comfy with more than two or three choices. WE are lucky in that we are one of the three choices...(I know there are more but we are in that top three) Understand these builders chances of making payroll and feeding their family is just awful....terrible sacrifices they make and usually go broke.
Sorry for the rant but wanted to liven up the general bass discussion....
There are you tube videos up with Musicians friend and premier guitar if you want to see how we do it. The whole factory is set up to make what the customer ordered. We dont make inventory...each piece is sold and we are backordered four months currently.
I will tell you that I need to sell 500 before it justifies the investment financially. Even then I cant make more so I have just spent with inventory about 75-80 grand and will still be four months backordered. Its sort of proving a point
And Joe once again I was not calling you a pasty flesh dweeb but am thinking of calling this model the Stingray 5 PFD....got to have some fun.
What got communicated was that Sterling Ball is arrogant..(probably..hahaha) and wont give the customers what they want. I tried to explain the logistics, business model, creative goals and it was ignored...so in end Ill make them if you guys order them.
more items.
1. If you guys think that I did this for publicity..talk to bassmonkee or Jackie
2. I am surpised that you guys haven't commented yet on the numbers involved in making a small change. I find that when I totally address a point that you guys who dont agree with how I built Music Man go mute like the point never was brought up.
3.What appears to be a small deal is expensive unless its a pickup. WE dont buy bodies made by one guy that are sent to a third party painter (the two biggest boutique assemblers....)and then buy off the shelf pickups and bridges and then assemble them. We actually mill bodies, sand them, paint them, buff them...then we tool up for our own hardware and pickups then we assemble and set up. Before everyone gets their panties wadded up....Some of those guys are dear friends....But...they dont call themselves builders when we talk. It is so much easier to make one of these changes when you just have to order another bridge and send a change order to the company that does your milling. Do you ever look at the retail prices of the assembled basses...They are fantastically made..rarely change from existing Fender designs but why are they $4,000? Im sure Fenders customer shop stuff is nice too...but I wonder what the landscape of bass would look like if Fender always made nice stuff?
4. I support young builders and designers...have for years. My factory is open to them and my advice.
5.The lack of support from the general public for new forward designs is a kryptonite wall. (once again I love Fender basses too.....I still have my 57 p that my dad gave me when I was 17) but in most industries the Bongo wouldn't have upset as many people as it did. It was what trendy guys call "disruptive" It has been a long term success but it wasnt my goal to have it replace the p and j....I wanted to do something different. I hope that in 50 years that the barriers for unique basses are broken down and the player will feel comfy with more than two or three choices. WE are lucky in that we are one of the three choices...(I know there are more but we are in that top three) Understand these builders chances of making payroll and feeding their family is just awful....terrible sacrifices they make and usually go broke.
Sorry for the rant but wanted to liven up the general bass discussion....
There are you tube videos up with Musicians friend and premier guitar if you want to see how we do it. The whole factory is set up to make what the customer ordered. We dont make inventory...each piece is sold and we are backordered four months currently.
I will tell you that I need to sell 500 before it justifies the investment financially. Even then I cant make more so I have just spent with inventory about 75-80 grand and will still be four months backordered. Its sort of proving a point
And Joe once again I was not calling you a pasty flesh dweeb but am thinking of calling this model the Stingray 5 PFD....got to have some fun.
What got communicated was that Sterling Ball is arrogant..(probably..hahaha) and wont give the customers what they want. I tried to explain the logistics, business model, creative goals and it was ignored...so in end Ill make them if you guys order them.
Last edited:
Spudmurphy
Well-known member
Interesting thread - glad I've been off for 2 days to follow it (man flu!! )
I'll have to pop over "this side" more often.
)I'll have to pop over "this side" more often.
Movielife
Well-known member
What a crazy outcome to a thread.
BP - I think your input to this is fantastic, and the facts/figures that come out from it are interesting to a bass fanatic like me.
Lets hope the US market put their money where their mouth is! You wanted it, you got it!
Im going to try and pester Strings UK for a small UK order.
BP - I think your input to this is fantastic, and the facts/figures that come out from it are interesting to a bass fanatic like me.
Lets hope the US market put their money where their mouth is! You wanted it, you got it!
Im going to try and pester Strings UK for a small UK order.
Well
I currently don't own a 5 string, or an EB for that matter, I have always used the Ernie Ball custom flatwound strings, and loved them and been a fan of the company for that. I am a huge fan of Sterling for going all open source (I am an IT guy), and I loved to see his responses to Microsoft over that. Huge Kudos to you Sterling!
I will be getting one of the new 5-stringers, I figured why not start now, it wasn't a big deal but I always thought it'd be nice when trying them if they came in a little different spacing, likely that I will get it and then prefer the original spacing, but that's how life goes.
As I am not currently and haven't been a EB instrument owner, I have never posted on these boards, I, however followed this thread with some curiosity along with the one over at TB. Many people have lofty expectations and unfair ideas about products they want. Yet, the elitist attitude some take to complain, others use to bash an entire group of people. There are a lot of loudly spoken trolls, and so-called "experts" at TB. Sometimes I have been guilty of that myself, the internet is an alluring thing when you can "be" whatever. However, there is a lot of love for EB at TB, a whole lot of it. There are a lot of people who respect and love the product and swear by it and are to the point of being elitist snobs over it. There are people of every walk there. It's the internet, deal with it. I mean, c'mon, post on a political forum sometime, all of a sudden everyone is an expert scientist, with years of statistics..etc.
I am a long time bass player, not a long time TB'er really, but I just wanted to come over here to say Sterling, I appreciate your company, the way you run it. Your candor, and openness to customer suggestion, and especially as an IT professional your dealings with Microsoft and the Bull-Sh*t-Association.
I also will be getting one of these new 5'ers, it will the first time I own an Ernie Ball instrument, and only my second 5-string and only one at current. I am excited at the prospect.
I currently don't own a 5 string, or an EB for that matter, I have always used the Ernie Ball custom flatwound strings, and loved them and been a fan of the company for that. I am a huge fan of Sterling for going all open source (I am an IT guy), and I loved to see his responses to Microsoft over that. Huge Kudos to you Sterling!
I will be getting one of the new 5-stringers, I figured why not start now, it wasn't a big deal but I always thought it'd be nice when trying them if they came in a little different spacing, likely that I will get it and then prefer the original spacing, but that's how life goes.
As I am not currently and haven't been a EB instrument owner, I have never posted on these boards, I, however followed this thread with some curiosity along with the one over at TB. Many people have lofty expectations and unfair ideas about products they want. Yet, the elitist attitude some take to complain, others use to bash an entire group of people. There are a lot of loudly spoken trolls, and so-called "experts" at TB. Sometimes I have been guilty of that myself, the internet is an alluring thing when you can "be" whatever. However, there is a lot of love for EB at TB, a whole lot of it. There are a lot of people who respect and love the product and swear by it and are to the point of being elitist snobs over it. There are people of every walk there. It's the internet, deal with it. I mean, c'mon, post on a political forum sometime, all of a sudden everyone is an expert scientist, with years of statistics..etc.
I am a long time bass player, not a long time TB'er really, but I just wanted to come over here to say Sterling, I appreciate your company, the way you run it. Your candor, and openness to customer suggestion, and especially as an IT professional your dealings with Microsoft and the Bull-Sh*t-Association.
I also will be getting one of these new 5'ers, it will the first time I own an Ernie Ball instrument, and only my second 5-string and only one at current. I am excited at the prospect.
Big Poppa
Well-known member
Please once again I understand Talk Bass...This forum...my bbq forum (PelletSmoking.com Forum) It isnt about bashing one or the other...the internet is a wild place full of bias and bs and lots of good facts...it is a slice of everything.
What specifically doesnt help the relationship between the two bass forums is that what many of you may not know is that some of the meanest anti eb mm guys over there have been banned here....You have to really be a difficult person to get banned. In their rhetoric they dont tell you that they used to be a fanboi until they pooped their pants over here.
I dont want a bad relationship with Talk Bass...I live fine if I do but it makes no sense...first from the business perspective...second because I love basses too....If I didnt have this ball and chain I would probably be over there posting under a fake name and be a fan...that would be fun.
So there you have it...Now I have to go to work!
What specifically doesnt help the relationship between the two bass forums is that what many of you may not know is that some of the meanest anti eb mm guys over there have been banned here....You have to really be a difficult person to get banned. In their rhetoric they dont tell you that they used to be a fanboi until they pooped their pants over here.
I dont want a bad relationship with Talk Bass...I live fine if I do but it makes no sense...first from the business perspective...second because I love basses too....If I didnt have this ball and chain I would probably be over there posting under a fake name and be a fan...that would be fun.
So there you have it...Now I have to go to work!
BigOldHarry
Active member
- Joined
- Jun 17, 2011
- Messages
- 28
Oddly, I have *never* seen an "anti EBMM" post or thread. Ever. I have seen folks questioning decisions or offering "constructive criticism", but I have never seen a "I hate EMBB" or "they suck" or any of that sort of stuff thread. Folks on TB *love* EBMM basses - to the point where it's a bit much, if you ask me. TB helps you sell bass, believe it or not. In fact, I'd say the origins of the 19mm thread are that a dude who loves your basses but want's one change started a discussion. Where the hostility comes from, I got no idea.
Oh, and as I'm a big BBQ/Smoker guy, I'll check out your forum there. I really like "BestRibsEver" but I'm always looking for new info for me and my Weber/Smokinator!
And get that portal running so I can give you my $$ for that 19mm SR5!!!
Oh, and as I'm a big BBQ/Smoker guy, I'll check out your forum there. I really like "BestRibsEver" but I'm always looking for new info for me and my Weber/Smokinator!
And get that portal running so I can give you my $$ for that 19mm SR5!!!
I have to say...I hint of arrogance...Ok maybe (sometimes it drives you I guess) but I have to say BP really is steeping up to the plate on this.
As BP already knows your not going to make everyone happy.
Since you on this request kick.
Please make a SR5 Gamechanger HH with a roasted neck.
PS: I love the SR5s spacing and whats going on just the way they are.
(sometimes it drives you I guess) but I have to say BP really is steeping up to the plate on this. As BP already knows your not going to make everyone happy.
Since you on this request kick.
Please make a SR5 Gamechanger HH with a roasted neck.
PS: I love the SR5s spacing and whats going on just the way they are.
Infidelity
Well-known member
- Joined
- May 9, 2010
- Messages
- 82
I agree with Big Old Harry.. I got my first, second and third EBMM because of talkbass and there is not a single thread I have seen that bash EBMM specifically that they hated the bass at all. If they hated it, it is always a bad set up which is not EBMM's fault since that specific major retailer doesn't take care of the instruments they sell.
IMO not only Talkbass is being bias about the talk. I don't mean to bash anyone or be a troll I'm just stating some facts..
IMO not only Talkbass is being bias about the talk. I don't mean to bash anyone or be a troll I'm just stating some facts..
OrigamiElephant
Member
- Joined
- Jun 13, 2011
- Messages
- 11
That MM factory tour video (I wasn't aware of it previously) was neat-O. Reminds me of watching Mr. Rogers (R.I.P) back in the day.
What's even more fun is right as I was watching the neck dude putting the back bow in, the UPS guy showed up with my bass, back from a repair job. That's like planet aligning stuff right there. I'm a poet and I don't care.
On topic, I love when gauntlets get thrown like they did in this thread. I hope enough people that want a 19mm SR hear about the upcoming "tentative" run of them. It's like wild west stuff. Something that in most cases doesn't happen, but in the interest of socio-economic science, happens here. Very interesting.
What's even more fun is right as I was watching the neck dude putting the back bow in, the UPS guy showed up with my bass, back from a repair job. That's like planet aligning stuff right there. I'm a poet and I don't care.
On topic, I love when gauntlets get thrown like they did in this thread. I hope enough people that want a 19mm SR hear about the upcoming "tentative" run of them. It's like wild west stuff. Something that in most cases doesn't happen, but in the interest of socio-economic science, happens here. Very interesting.
Smallmouth_Bass
Well-known member
You guys make your own hardware? I had no idea.
It does sound complicated and expensive, even if it's based on an existing design. I mean, you still have to decide on a neck profile; the headstock tuner placing will have to change and you have to make sure that it still balances with the extra neck bulk. Not an easy task, I'm sure.
It does sound complicated and expensive, even if it's based on an existing design. I mean, you still have to decide on a neck profile; the headstock tuner placing will have to change and you have to make sure that it still balances with the extra neck bulk. Not an easy task, I'm sure.
This may get me in a tight spot but I just don't get it BP. I am really hoping that you either get 1000 orders or you get none at all. That amount of expense just for a few hundred orders is nuts.
Where is the money that will be wasted on the retooling going to come from and will it have an effect on the price of the normal stock. Or worse still will it come out of your very own pocket.
If I stick my ass in a pair of jeans and they don't fit I buy a different bloody pair.
I know I have no right to ask, you have no need to tell and I can kinda see what your doing but I can't help feeling that it will fall on it's ass and you won't get 125 orders
I hope I am wrong and itwill become a major success because I do love my ebmm's and you have the best built basses in the world.
I know I shouldn't second guess you as you know what your doing.
Oh I am another that would not have had a clue about the size of the nut on my SR5 I just love that bass to bits
You don't need some twit from ireland questioning you so I hope it all works out.
D
Where is the money that will be wasted on the retooling going to come from and will it have an effect on the price of the normal stock. Or worse still will it come out of your very own pocket.
If I stick my ass in a pair of jeans and they don't fit I buy a different bloody pair.
I know I have no right to ask, you have no need to tell and I can kinda see what your doing but I can't help feeling that it will fall on it's ass and you won't get 125 orders
I hope I am wrong and itwill become a major success because I do love my ebmm's and you have the best built basses in the world.
I know I shouldn't second guess you as you know what your doing.
Oh I am another that would not have had a clue about the size of the nut on my SR5 I just love that bass to bits
You don't need some twit from ireland questioning you so I hope it all works out.
D
Big Poppa
Well-known member
Its all good lets hope that they prove me wrong....everybody wins.
bovinehost
Administrator
I've been trying to explain this "over there" to the guys who say things like, "It's designed to fail, which is what he wants."
I'm avoiding saying, "You don't know Sterling very well, do you?"
But it's tempting.
cybersnyder
Well-known member
I think I was one of the first ones to say that. The reason was that the window seemed rather short because you need to get the word out and give people time to get the funds together. I was under the impression that the order form would go up the same day. But if it's going up next Tuesday then that gives a week to get the word out and then two weeks to get the money together. I think that's fair.
Big Poppa
Well-known member
There you have it...two weeks is too short...the whole deal here is that there is a huge amount of people Im denying 19mm..if it is really valid one week would prove it. They have three weeks total and it is not designed to fail....If it doesnt happen it will be my fault though.
Smallmouth_Bass
Well-known member
And, playing devil's advocate; there will always be a certain amount of people that will want to play the instrument before committing to it, so placing an order might not work for them, even though they may have an interest.
JayDawg
Well-known member
I plan on telling a few folks about this but to make sure I understand everything correctly, the customer can order the bass through the shopatron when it gets up and running and bypass an authorized EBMM dealer is that correct? Also, can they go through a dealer if they choose?
- Status
