Morbid
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I don't seem to be able to find him in the Member's List.
Am I missing something?
Am I missing something?
- Thread starter Morbid
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leftyguitarblue
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I don't seem to be able to find him in the Member's List.
Am I missing something?
His avatar is wonderdog, his name is "GHWelles"
Spudmurphy
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OOOOPS! -Sorry -well done lefty.
bkrumme
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I'm kinda with jamminjim on this one...
Wasn't the guitar sold to you as a project guitar? If that's the case, I would EXPECT there to be some inconsistencies with some or all of the parts.
I totally understand that it's frustrating to run into one snag after another. What do you think happens when you buy a new home? It doesn't matter if it's a BRAND NEW house, or one that's 80 years old. You will ALWAYS find something that needs fixed. It's inevitable.
As far as the neck thing, kudos for taking ownership of a mistake. I just now started buying bolt on guitars again. I was a Neck-Thru kinda guy before I discovered EBMM. So I can't say whether it's normal for there to be extra holes. If it's hidden when the neck is attached to the body, then I wouldn't worry about it.
Wasn't the guitar sold to you as a project guitar? If that's the case, I would EXPECT there to be some inconsistencies with some or all of the parts.
I totally understand that it's frustrating to run into one snag after another. What do you think happens when you buy a new home? It doesn't matter if it's a BRAND NEW house, or one that's 80 years old. You will ALWAYS find something that needs fixed. It's inevitable.
As far as the neck thing, kudos for taking ownership of a mistake. I just now started buying bolt on guitars again. I was a Neck-Thru kinda guy before I discovered EBMM. So I can't say whether it's normal for there to be extra holes. If it's hidden when the neck is attached to the body, then I wouldn't worry about it.
jamminjim
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*idea*
if the extra and visible holes on the back of the headstock are a real bother, and you're going to paint over the beautiful wood headstock anyway, then why not fill the holes, sand her down and paint the headstock front and back?
Cheers
if the extra and visible holes on the back of the headstock are a real bother, and you're going to paint over the beautiful wood headstock anyway, then why not fill the holes, sand her down and paint the headstock front and back?
Cheers
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Spudmurphy
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You already know about the two extra holes - like on mine, well 3 if you count the one underneath the label.
The body also has extra holes - I think its where EB clamp on a temporary neck for spraying purposes - or maybe it's how "Ursula" the buffing robot keeps a grip on things?
The body also has extra holes - I think its where EB clamp on a temporary neck for spraying purposes - or maybe it's how "Ursula" the buffing robot keeps a grip on things?
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Dead-Eye
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If it says "project guitar" in the description I'm with you. But if the statement is explicitly "project guitar, but there's nothing missing", I don't think there's anything wrong with expecting that to be true.
On the other hand, with any project you probably have to factor in a bit of money for unexpected expenses.
buckethead777
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^^^^^ +1
Spot on Dizzy
Spot on Dizzy
Sticky1973
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And I for one can't wait.
Ye know Morbid, I look forward to your updates in this thread not only for the axe progress, but because I can really appreciate the time you take to construct well worded and detailed posts; more power to ya fella
+1 on that, right there.
Spudmurphy
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Morbid - I don't wish this post to sound like the Morbid / Spud self appreciation society, but I have to say that you have written very eloquently on the matter. I think you have addressed the issues raised in the recent posts in an impeccable and adult manner, and I for one will be pleased to see you hanging around on this forum for years to come. The experience you are gaining from this project will be invaluable to other people who raise questions on their JP in future years.
At the beginning of the week you were really down and I hope that you have had an "injection" of enthusiasm.
I've said this before - look at the hits you are having - I know I posted a couple of threads on my JP restoration project - but this one is going the extra mile.
Keep going and if ya want advice/support/vent some venom - then e mail me
spud at web-links dot net.
- now get filing/sanding/soldering/painting/polishing/set up - playing!!
edit - yeah you gotta put a message on the back of the neck plate - I think you oughta get it engraved not sharpied.
... the RC on the neck in red pen is the person who inspected it I guess.
My guitar would not have crossed the pond if it wasn't for the efforts made by knucklehead Fsmith - who I am indebted to. I'm a huge AL fan - but I love this guitar too!!
At the beginning of the week you were really down and I hope that you have had an "injection" of enthusiasm.
I've said this before - look at the hits you are having - I know I posted a couple of threads on my JP restoration project - but this one is going the extra mile.
Keep going and if ya want advice/support/vent some venom - then e mail me
spud at web-links dot net.
- now get filing/sanding/soldering/painting/polishing/set up - playing!!
edit - yeah you gotta put a message on the back of the neck plate - I think you oughta get it engraved not sharpied.
... the RC on the neck in red pen is the person who inspected it I guess.
My guitar would not have crossed the pond if it wasn't for the efforts made by knucklehead Fsmith - who I am indebted to. I'm a huge AL fan - but I love this guitar too!!
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GHWelles
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Technically you should not copy the logo, that is copyright infringment. I think it is OK to put a genuine logo on a re-finished EBMM, however, because as Spudmurphy points out it is still a real EBMM, just a re-finished one. The problem is how do you get one?
Spudmurphy
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Ouch - I put too much money into an Auto project many years ago and will not do so again!!
Well I have to say a good reply and I see all sides of the argument/debate.
Anyway - let's all look forward to the next episode of "JP Resurrection"
mesavox
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Not arguing in anyway... just asking if the way I've always understood the law is correct or if I've missunderstood the language.
I've always thought that the above was the case unless you get explicit permission. Obviously he doesn't have that at this point, but I thought, as the case with a particular rock band's shows... you can film them as long as you give management a copy of the video... and the venue allows cameras in the door. Technically, it is copyright infringement, but management and band have given permission with certain terms.
Perhaps the simplest explanation is if no one wants to prosecute, you have a kind of permission? LOL
I don't know... legalese is certainly not English. LOL
Big Poppa
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My problem with the logo is that it makes it like it came from the factory and I really cant have a homemade restoration that down the line may reflect on us. Sorry.
Morbid
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Well BP, this leads me to a question.
Let's say I don't sand down the headstock. I leave it natural, and I don't touch it. It still has your logo on it, attached to my homemade and restored body. Couldn't that still potentially reflect upon you and the company?
Granted, were I ever to sell the guitar (highly unlikely)I would surely include all of the details that this thread has already seen. It's already been very clearly pointed out that I'm a detailed man when it comes to the sale of items, and a restoration project, finished or otherwise, is something I would never want to hide, especially since it's something I intend on being proud of when it's done. Like Spud mentioned, I now intend on having the neck plate engraved with the finish date and my name.
Regardless, is there ANY way you could work with me on this? I really feel having the logo (sans John's signature)would really help to complete this guitar.
I had spoken to Dan McPherson prior to starting the project, and he had insured me that in order to obtain the logo again, I'd have to send in the entire guitar, and it would have to leave with the same finish it originally had. Naturally this wasn't an option for me, so I figured provided I don't alter the logo or try to pass the guitar off as something it's truly not, there would be no harm.
Like I said, I understand your position, but I also hope you understand mine and might be able to help me out here. As a fan if absolutely nothing else, I'm a big lover of the EB company as a whole, and would never want to shed bad light. Truth be told, if the project came out poorly, I wouldn't bother putting the logo on it until it were right, anyway.
Anyway, like I said, I hope maybe we can figure something out. The guitar won't feel complete without it (to me).
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Sticky1973
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Not sure i'd plan to replace the logo if you refinish the headstock.
Keep it personalised; hell, you could even sign it yourself to tag your own refinish!
Keep it personalised; hell, you could even sign it yourself to tag your own refinish!
ShaneV
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The argument that the logo would be on a project guitar if you left the headstock alone, so there's no harm putting it back on if you refinish the headstock seems flawed in that it assumes EB is fine with the logo being on in the first example, and not fine with it in the second. Something tells me they'd rather the logo not be there either way, but they can't exactly walk into your house and sand it off if you choose not to touch the headstock, ya know?
jamminjim
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If my opinion counts, I vote in favor of a replacement logo for the resurrected and restored JP.
~Jim
~Jim
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